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Systemic racism

Posted on: April 11, 2021 at 17:26:40 CT
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This is not my original work, but it resonates with me.

As you mentioned below, racism is not about hate - it’s simply the belief that one race is superior to another and actions based on that belief.

Given that definition, let’s start with the fact that black men are incarcerated at 5x the rate of white men in this country.

I see only three possible explanations (if you can provide others, I’m glad to listen):

1) Chance
2) Systemic racism
3) Black people are in some way inferior to white people.

Chance seems very unlikely given my understanding of probability.

Therefore I either have to believe systemic racism is the cause, or I am racist.

You can say it’s because of poverty. Or drugs. Or whatever. The question always come back, though, to why do more black people live in poverty. Or why is drug use more prevalent? Or whatever.

It’s the systems that we created (as mentioned by HSCoach: banking, real estate, education, policing, employment opportunity, USDA farm loans, etc. And, yes, even highways.) that lead us to where we are today.
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You knows what interesting about that museum trip - HSCoach STL - 4/11 15:29:03
     Where there is no wood, the fire goes out; - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/12 00:10:36
          And where there is no talebearer, strife ceases. - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/12 00:11:01
               As charcoal is to burning coals, and wood to fire, - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/12 00:11:44
                    So is a contentious man to kindle strife. - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/12 00:11:56
                         But keep bringing that 'noble' wood. - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/12 00:14:01
     Seems like we should talk more about WW2 then..nm - bcoop199 KC - 4/11 23:02:29
     truth - bornoncampus MU - 4/11 22:09:42
          We should have museums showcasing the worst of all races - zounami MU - 4/11 22:18:17
               Don't we have a 9/11 Memorial? - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 22:21:12
                    "The National Lynching Memorial immerses visitors in the - zounami MU - 4/11 22:41:53
                    you must not watch the nightly news. EVERY night(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 4/11 22:31:22
     Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz - Genco98 MU - 4/11 21:53:31
          Maybe so, but it's the longest thread I've seen in years. (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 21:54:57
     RE: You knows what interesting about that museum trip - MOCO SON MU - 4/11 21:22:54
          RE: You knows what interesting about that museum trip - HSCoach STL - 4/11 21:58:41
     Slave, know your master. - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/11 21:05:16
          And in case I wasn't clear enough, - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/11 21:47:35
     tPBH is your guy so what's your beef...nm - tigertix MU - 4/11 20:58:00
     This brought out the loons. (nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 4/11 20:55:58
          Warring tribes, just as the left wanted. (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 21:36:06
               and maybe Cuonzo as well... How could he expect any other - zounami MU - 4/11 21:47:14
                    Aww poor white kid had to feel uncomfortable - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 22:17:34
                         Look at how hateful you are. It's no wonder you defend - zounami MU - 4/11 22:28:20
     still plenty of black slaves today - JG MU - 4/11 19:24:38
          True, and millions on the Democrat Plantation as well. (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 21:34:55
          A great many are owned by the - alwaysright MU - 4/11 20:15:39
     Dont let hate consume your heart.....God Bless you.(nm) - TigerAlum91 MU - 4/11 19:23:52
     Well said liberal. - Converted Tiger MU - 4/11 19:07:46
          RE: Well said liberal. - THINKINGTIGER MU - 4/11 20:01:02
          RE: Well said liberal. - HSCoach STL - 4/11 19:22:47
               You have an allegiance to the race card. You use it daily.(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 4/11 20:01:15
                    You have an allegiance to the race card. You use it daily - Third_Eye STL - 4/11 23:33:42
                    RE: You have an allegiance to the race card. You use it daily.(nm) - HSCoach STL - 4/11 20:13:24
          It's so extremely divisive. Literally, they divide people... - zounami MU - 4/11 19:08:58
               RE: It's so extremely divisive. Literally, they divide people... - Third_Eye STL - 4/11 23:31:25
                    No, the left went all-in on identity politics. (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 23:54:28
               Agree with this(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 4/11 21:17:46
     That's part of American history. My first ancestor arrived - alstl MU - 4/11 17:55:54
          RE: That's part of American history. My first ancestor arrived - Third_Eye STL - 4/12 01:00:09
               A culture that doesn't value education, the nuclear family, - zounami MU - 4/12 09:52:47
          Dead on(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 4/11 19:58:59
          It's the best nation in the world for people of color... - zounami MU - 4/11 18:31:06
               Black Russians disagree(nm) - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 18:54:27
                    lol... First off, Russia is less than 0.05% black. Second... - zounami MU - 4/11 19:02:36
                         Because they said so - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 19:12:40
                              RE: Because they said so - oldtgr MU - 4/11 19:35:14
                                   Correct. They seek predominantly white nations... - zounami MU - 4/11 21:30:20
                                   Understood, showing Zou not all Blacks agreed with him - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 20:38:31
                                        "in the 20s & 30s".. lol, you're talking about a century ago - zounami MU - 4/11 21:32:05
                              The 0.05% was polled?... Link? (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 19:13:17
                                   Search for documentaries on Black Russians(nm) - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 19:17:53
                                        That's not an answer. It's a deflection. (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 21:28:39
     Your boogeyman no doubt affects every breath you take - TigerFan92 STL - 4/11 17:30:24
     Totally agree.... - Mizzou1990 MU - 4/11 17:00:41
          I like how people that say "cancel culture" think that - tigerdb MU - 4/11 18:47:31
               Lol @ tigerdb(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 4/11 20:41:35
               why? (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 19:03:15
                    because - tigerdb MU - 4/11 19:05:27
                         how so? (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 19:08:00
          excellent point (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 17:53:06
          The "cullid" school - Tptiger MU - 4/11 17:36:53
          Since you are a history major, I am sure you are aware - KC rules MU - 4/11 17:17:20
               Slavery and bigotry are two different things - Nohawks KC - 4/11 18:48:49
                    Race hustling is a virtue now. Being color blind is racism - TigerMatt - 4/11 19:13:02
                         RE: Race hustling is a virtue now. Being color blind is racism - HSCoach STL - 4/11 19:29:44
                              I would challenge the statement "Blacks are presented as - Nohawks KC - 4/12 19:09:27
               sure, but now it's all white people being held accountable f - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:38:17
                    Was any of that an original thought or just indoctrination?(nm) - Tptiger MU - 4/11 19:48:52
                    Held accountable? - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:40:28
                         I'm being accused of being racist, for one, by simply existi - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:44:52
                              Feeling bad? - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:50:31
                                   I don't feel bad about anything, it's clear you do. You - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:52:48
                                        I don't feel guilty that I look like the majority - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:56:14
                                             Stereotype much - DollarSigns MU - 4/11 20:48:47
                                             Well, checks will fix that (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:56:47
                                   ^^^ wants to enslave people by making them work for - TigerMatt - 4/11 17:52:39
                         Uh.. reparations?(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/11 17:41:59
                              How are reperations affecting you? - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:43:46
                                   Ill be heavily taxed to pay for them. And my ancestors - *M* KC - 4/11 17:50:43
                                   I will be paying taxes on it. And my family was in Europe - TigerMatt - 4/11 17:44:42
                                        Then go back to where you came from - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:47:48
                                             Question now is...how will you benefit from them Gavin? - Mizzou1990 MU - 4/11 20:43:22
                                                  Getting more people on the conservative side - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 21:09:40
                                             So where is the money going to come from? Raising - TigerMatt - 4/11 17:52:01
                                                  Or defunding the police - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:54:05
                                                       Or just remove laws that don't actually involve crime - TigerMatt - 4/11 18:10:35
                                                            yep, but that doesn't signal virtue, Jeff, nor assign - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 18:19:25
                                                       nothing will improve "race" relations like the gvmt using - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:57:41
                                                       you think making one-time payments reduces poverty? - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:55:49
                                                            No I don't but I'm not closed minded to things - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:58:52
                                                                 free? Free to whom? Someone is paying for it. You - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 18:00:25
                                                                      I am aware. We pay taxes for a lot of things. - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:21:13
                                                                           Who is going to hand out interest free loans and service - TigerMatt - 4/11 18:28:35
                                                                                The government - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:30:45
                                                                           Are you acknowledging that giving things to people doesn't - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 18:24:38
                                                                                Yes and I agree with that. Giving people stuff doesn't fix - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:27:17
                                                                                     try getting "them" through high school first. Maybe more - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 18:30:29
                                                                                          Or to prevent your rage. - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:32:05
                                                                                               Tuition doesn't pay for housing, food, transportation. - TigerMatt - 4/11 18:45:45
                                                                                                    I might. Especially if they put in work to show - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:55:27
                                                                                                         What if they have children? Are you going to build - TigerMatt - 4/11 18:58:00
                                                                                                              Sure. - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:59:48
                                                                                                                   What about non-wealthy white kid since most white kids - TigerMatt - 4/11 19:02:58
                                                                                                                        In a reperations world, yes. - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 19:05:17
                                        So was mine; and as someone of Irish decent, my ancestors - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:45:40
                                             My family is from the area now Czech Republic. My - TigerMatt - 4/11 17:50:02
                                                  collectivist thinking is a cancer (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:53:20
               Let's not ignore the North benefited from slavery and - TigerMatt - 4/11 17:36:59
                    I agree - Nohawks KC - 4/11 17:51:58
          Absolutely - Nohawks KC - 4/11 17:08:54
          Completely agree with this - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:05:09
     Okay it was done. No argument, there is bad & good - Nohawks KC - 4/11 16:49:53
          These aren't questions... - Mizzou1990 MU - 4/11 17:03:28
          RE: Okay it was done. No argument, there is bad & good - HSCoach STL - 4/11 17:02:59
               Many of the problems were created in the name of God - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 18:52:12
                    Religion is a form of tribalism, whether it's Islam or - zounami MU - 4/11 19:12:46
                         IMO it's another tool to divide humans - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 20:58:02
                              Agreed. Race, in particular, is all the left talks about... - zounami MU - 4/11 21:27:47
                         I agree(nm) - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 20:41:05
                    RE: Many of the problems were created in the name of God - Nohawks KC - 4/11 19:05:53
                         RE: Many of the problems were created in the name of God - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 19:16:45
                              Of course they did -and it was wrong - Nohawks KC - 4/11 19:23:52
               which "God"... the Christian one?.. the Islamic one?.. ??? (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 17:51:50
                    THE ONE ALMIGHTY YOU HEATHEN! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:56:13
               God? Where has God been during the creation of all of these - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:05:05
                    Free will, peoples fallen nature, libido dominandi - Nohawks KC - 4/11 17:11:42
               Amen ! nm - Nohawks KC - 4/11 17:04:26
          RE: Okay it was done. No argument, there is bad & good - HSCoach STL - 4/11 16:51:39
               Any idea which can and should be done ? - Nohawks KC - 4/11 16:53:27
                    First we have to - haeffb MU - 4/11 16:57:19
                         What is systemic racism and white privilege? Where do - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:01:20
                              Systemic racism - haeffb MU - 4/11 17:26:40
                                   RE: Systemic racism - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:34:57
                                        Where does economic opportunity come from? - haeffb MU - 4/11 17:36:49
                                             So it is "systems" that create the rich and poor and we shou - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:43:14
                                                  Straw man - haeffb MU - 4/11 17:57:07
                                                       Correct, not explicitly, but implicitly, of course you did. - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:59:04
                                                            Yes, I would and do want to fix them. - haeffb MU - 4/11 18:07:21
                                                                 LOL, nice real strawman. I noticed you didn't even - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 18:20:39
                                                                      I didn’t claim to know how to fix them. - haeffb MU - 4/11 18:26:50
                                   You left out a very important explanation - *M* KC - 4/11 17:33:59
                                        Why do they do that? (nm) - haeffb MU - 4/11 17:35:01
                                             Poverty!!! - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:34:56
                                                  Yes. Answering the why is key to understanding (nm) - haeffb MU - 4/11 19:19:51
                                             That is very a complex issue. I only have opinions, - *M* KC - 4/11 17:37:09
                                                  Be careful - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:42:28
                                                       Sometimes facts seem bad bad bad - *M* KC - 4/11 17:48:02
                                                       lol, you beautiful, woke, virtuous soul. You think in terms - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:47:52
                                   note: racism doesn't require any actions. It's a belief. - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:31:59
                                        Name another cause. (nm) - haeffb MU - 4/11 17:33:28
                                             RE: Name another cause. (nm) - *M* KC - 4/11 17:34:27
                              RE: What is systemic racism and white privilege? Where do - HSCoach STL - 4/11 17:07:58
                                   Can you elaborate on racism systemic in those areas? Are you - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:12:08
                                        The trouble is the belief only the deadbeat - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:16:56
                                             And all white people believe that? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:32:34
                                                  No plenty of white people accept their black equals - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:37:14
                                                       But hold the collective accountable, right? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:49:13
                              My first is - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:07:50
                              Just what I was going to ask (nm) - Nohawks KC - 4/11 17:03:38
                    Don't ignore it and get angry when people talk about it - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 16:55:10
                         Is that what systemic racism means? Generational wealth? - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:03:20
                              I posted above, white privilege is being surrounded by - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:10:42
                                   Definition of White Priviledge - alwaysright MU - 4/11 20:19:30
                                        The democrats are in your head, it's the biggest conservativ - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 20:29:54
                                             It’s hard for poor people all over the world. It’s less hard - alwaysright MU - 4/12 10:54:05
                                   so it isn't "systemic racism" it's voluntary association - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:33:32
                                        Call it whatever you want if it makes you feel better - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:39:03
                                             Feel better? What makes you think I have something to feel - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:46:28
                              Here’s a simple example - haeffb MU - 4/11 17:09:57
                                   It is? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:49:45
                                        Yes. It is. You’re welcome. (nm) - haeffb MU - 4/11 17:58:16
                                             link? as a white guy, you sure are confident in your - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 18:01:19
                                                  Fair point. - haeffb MU - 4/11 18:13:04
                                                       Nice -so when called on it, you changed from every black - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 18:23:18
                                                            Ok. What percentage of black people today - haeffb MU - 4/11 19:00:51
                         Yes while there's nothing we can do about - Nohawks KC - 4/11 17:02:41
                              This can be true while also accepting white privilege - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 17:13:50
                                   Well look at who controls the message - Nohawks KC - 4/11 18:36:44
                                        Agreed, black poverty helps democrats - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:39:38
                                   can you stop thinking in the collective for even one post? - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 17:51:50
                                        Judge? I'm saying it occurs. - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:24:21
                                             No, you're putting all people of certain identities into - 90Tiger STL - 4/11 18:26:18
                                                  Do you know how statistics work? - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 18:30:04
                                   RE: This can be true while also accepting white privilege - HSCoach STL - 4/11 17:24:20
     Agreed, the good and the bad - tiger4real MU - 4/11 16:24:57
          "white man evil" is the curriculum now (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 17:47:59
          My answer to the racism argument - oldtgr MU - 4/11 17:02:04
               RE: My answer to the racism argument - HSCoach STL - 4/11 17:13:24
               Christian faith is diminishing, sadly. - tiger4real MU - 4/11 17:11:09
                    RE: Christian faith is diminishing, sadly. - HSCoach STL - 4/11 17:13:45
          RE: Agreed, the good and the bad - HSCoach STL - 4/11 16:33:30
               Don’t disagree, so let’s stop the hate ? - tiger4real MU - 4/11 16:35:45
                    RE: Don’t disagree, so let’s stop the hate ? - HSCoach STL - 4/11 16:53:42
     Then teach the good instead of focusing mostly on the bad... - zounami MU - 4/11 16:22:30
          RE: Then teach the good instead of focusing mostly on the bad... - HSCoach STL - 4/11 16:37:39
          Let’s teach them both the good and the bad. The truth. (nm) - haeffb MU - 4/11 16:25:21
               Yes. Has CM taught them about the countless Americans who - zounami MU - 4/11 16:35:21
                    RE: Yes. Has CM taught them about the countless Americans who - HSCoach STL - 4/11 16:38:33
                         LOL (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 17:28:24
                    I would assume so. - haeffb MU - 4/11 16:38:10
                         I don't assume, I go by what's reported... - zounami MU - 4/11 17:27:31
                              No, you’re assuming that it didn’t happen - haeffb MU - 4/11 17:31:14
                                   Correct. I don't assume, I go by what's reported. (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 17:46:53
                                        And you assume what doesn’t get reported didn’t happen (nm) - haeffb MU - 4/11 18:18:37
                                             No, I don't assume something that hasn't been reported... - zounami MU - 4/11 18:33:25
                                                  Yes, I did make that assumption. You’re assuming - haeffb MU - 4/11 18:48:01
                                                       but his activism & history lessons *were* reported... - zounami MU - 4/11 19:06:43
                                                            What does the last paragraph here say - Gavin Citrus MU - 4/11 19:21:45
                                                                 exactly what I've been saying... - zounami MU - 4/11 21:20:50
     yep the way for everyone to get along - fatrat MU - 4/11 16:17:42
          RE: yep the way for everyone to get along - HSCoach STL - 4/11 16:42:30
     Gym Crow? LOL (nm) - Ohtiger MU - 4/11 16:10:45
     Twelve generations - haeffb MU - 4/11 15:40:03
          You're old as fuk.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/11 17:28:06
               which is why he suffers from "white guilt" disorder (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 17:45:58
          Over 150 years ago... Now, they're able to become anything - zounami MU - 4/11 16:28:03
               RE: Over 150 years ago... Now, they're able to become anything - HSCoach STL - 4/11 16:46:49
                    "They elected the candidate they thought could beat McCain." - zounami MU - 4/11 17:09:25
                         RE: "They elected the candidate they thought could beat McCain." - HSCoach STL - 4/11 17:17:46
                              A rational society doesn't "vote against its own interests" - zounami MU - 4/11 17:21:52
                                   RE: A rational society doesn't "vote against its own interests" - HSCoach STL - 4/11 17:28:33
                                        Wrong, he said the hysteria about it was a hoax he didn't - bcoop199 KC - 4/11 23:06:41
                                        Those are exceptions, not the norm. America would not be - zounami MU - 4/11 17:43:43
               Look up Sylvester Magee - KC rules MU - 4/11 16:40:58
                    "150 years isn't that long ago"... long enough to go from - zounami MU - 4/11 17:03:26
                         The last Whites Only sign came down in my home town - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 21:20:59
                              You're talking about issues from 3+ decades ago... - zounami MU - 4/11 21:26:00
                         Not sure how that is relevant - KC rules MU - 4/11 17:24:40
                              All the more reason to visit the museum - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 20:51:46
                              decades of progress have eliminated opportunistic barriers (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 17:45:28
                                   That's what you think - BlackSheep MU - 4/11 21:22:32
          I have no doubt I lived when ex-slaves still were alive. - GA Tiger MU - 4/11 15:56:46
               GAT was alive before slavery.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/11 17:28:56
               exactly (nm) - zounami MU - 4/11 16:59:11
                    RE: exactly (nm) - slippers-on MU - 4/11 17:09:05
                         I disagree, but let's assume it was... - zounami MU - 4/11 17:14:14
               RE: I have no doubt I lived when ex-slaves still were alive. - HSCoach STL - 4/11 16:50:06
               Well said GAT - tiger4real MU - 4/11 16:33:36
               RE: I have no doubt I lived when ex-slaves still were alive. - slippers-on MU - 4/11 16:01:14
                    His death is not acceptable but if you consider - GA Tiger MU - 4/11 18:31:23
                         yes, drug OD's are tragic, but don't expect the same people - zounami MU - 4/11 18:41:27
     I saw plenty , I am 72.Totally agree(nm) - oldtgr MU - 4/11 15:30:40
          what you suffer from is referred to as "white guilt" and it - zounami MU - 4/11 17:18:18




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