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It depends on how you define "nationally relevant program"

Posted on: February 23, 2017 at 14:33:31 CT
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You can be without making the FF, but MU hasn't been one of the top 25 programs in the past few decades. It's much harder than fans realize.
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This is why Missouri is a top 20-25 job... - zounami MU - 2/23 13:07:58
     It's a simple as this. Mizzou is one of only - alwaysright MU - 2/23 16:37:22
          True. Good point. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/23 17:10:37
     You left off the regional talent to recruit - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/23 14:42:42
          I thought about mentioning that but the post was already - zounami MU - 2/23 15:18:27
     your 'it's easy to win at MU' I think is the most - FIJItiger MU - 2/23 14:14:33
          If by win you mean at least one more win than loses - Phlalum MU - 2/23 15:50:09
               Our program is not top 20, more like top 35, but the job is - zounami MU - 2/23 16:07:00
          Then why hasn't it happened? - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:25:21
               MU is 0-5 in the Elite 8. There have been many MU teams - zounami MU - 2/23 14:50:08
               I said nothing of making Final Fours, that is a completely - FIJItiger MU - 2/23 14:30:37
                    It depends on how you define "nationally relevant program" - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:33:31
                         Past few decades? MU finished 2012 ranked #3 in the - FIJItiger MU - 2/23 14:36:05
                              You fail to understand - Big Ray 2 USA - 2/23 15:20:28
                              I'm not talking about a one year anomaly. - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:36:58
                                   You are talking final rankings exclusively. I am talking - FIJItiger MU - 2/23 14:38:48
                                        So let's go with final rankings. The answer is 1/18 - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:52:58
                                             I think you're a little off on these but the point - sprintcar STL - 2/23 15:25:22
                                                  He's missing at least a couple top 10 rankings. Facts are - zounami MU - 2/23 15:31:54
                                                       They were final rankings on the season.(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/24 08:59:28
                                                       His point is valid though. Mizzou has ended the year - sprintcar STL - 2/23 15:50:06
                                                            He only went back 18 years, and left out multiple top 10 - zounami MU - 2/23 16:04:19
                                                                 I went back to Norm's retirement. I gave the final rankings - tjwheeler UI - 2/24 09:01:09
                                             What does "11/12-Nope" mean? Is that supposed to mean - zounami MU - 2/23 15:07:39
                                                  I used final AP rankings.(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 18:50:37
                                             Exactly...it's clinging to the past - Mormad MU - 2/23 15:03:53
               Partially for the same reason Illinois hasn't been in the - MUTGR MU - 2/23 14:27:37
                    I'm talking about more than the last 4 years. - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:30:23
                         RE: I'm talking about more than the last 4 years. - MUTGR MU - 2/23 14:43:13
                              I very much agree with that. - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:54:07
          top 1/3rd of SEC every year should be the standard. - phrejd MU - 2/23 14:16:45
               Agree with this. When MU went to SEC, I thought top 3 - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:26:00
                    none of us did. until KA was hired and then most of us did.(nm) - phrejd MU - 2/23 14:27:41
                         lol, true (nm) - zounami MU - 2/23 15:22:43
                         I just don't get it. MU BB was better off in B12. - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:30:59
                              No, it wasn't. Our problems have nothing to do with the - zounami MU - 2/23 14:41:17
                                   SEC fans (UK and maybe UF aside) don't care about BB. - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:55:12
                                        Add Arkansas in there, and I disagree on the elite - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:58:40
                                             That's the question, I guess. - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 15:02:20
                                                  How many elite kids will turn down Kentucky or Florida to - zounami MU - 2/23 15:15:07
                                                       Which is not the point of my post. - tjwheeler UI - 2/24 09:05:10
                              kim anderson happened - phrejd MU - 2/23 14:38:03
                              The conference move isn't the issue - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:32:36
                                   Probably true. But, few SEC fans care about BB and I - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:34:28
                                        Have to think the negative effect on fan support - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:35:59
                                             Good point. And, I don't see the SEC as having - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:38:28
                                                  There's a few interesting guys - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:45:23
                                                       Yeah, and I'm a big fan of Frank Martin. - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:57:41
                                                            Frank strikes me as a guy that needs the right spot - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:59:46
                                                                 Yeah, he's old school from the Bob Knight tree of coaching. - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 15:01:10
                                                  coaches in SEC might be better than most think - phrejd MU - 2/23 14:41:27
                              MU had actual coaches back then, its really not - FIJItiger MU - 2/23 14:31:53
                                   I think the hiring of FH and KA reflected the - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:35:38
                                        Yeah. Just a bad thought process - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:37:10
                                             I submit Mike Thomas as worse than any MU AD. - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:41:12
                                                  Yeah, he was a joke - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:47:14
                                                       And if we compare both situations... - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 15:00:34
                                        Not really. It reflected MU giving up on the sport and - FIJItiger MU - 2/23 14:37:08
     It could be a Top 25 job but isn't currently, imo.(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:01:18
          We know your opinion, TJ, but you've never really backed it - zounami MU - 2/23 14:13:03
               You and I had a civil in-depth discussion of this last week(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 14:22:36
                    Are you referring to this sub-thread here... - zounami MU - 2/23 14:40:07
                         Yeah, I think differentinating between the job/program is - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 15:03:16
                              Wrong, and no you didn't. We can agree to disagree but - zounami MU - 2/23 15:13:28
                                   I thought it was clear. I'll be more clear next time(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/23 20:13:09
          It doesn't take much to be a Top 25 "job" - Mormad MU - 2/23 14:02:59
     Lol at this post, - nerdmachine KC - 2/23 13:58:45
          oh look, another kim-fanboy chimes in to disagree without - zounami MU - 2/23 14:05:44
          not to mention the vacated wins and non-recruiting - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/23 14:00:59
               i just don't know how to recruit around vacated wins. - phrejd MU - 2/23 14:17:49
                    recruits talk, trust me - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/23 14:21:13
                         i was talking to a kid & all he cared about was vacated wins - phrejd MU - 2/23 14:26:17
                         Kim replaced the old negatives with - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:24:00
                              unfortunately that comes from the "fans" on this board - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/23 14:42:35
                                   I know you're trolling, but - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:50:08
          This is quality Fiji bait. nm - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 13:59:12
     News flash: Missouri hired Frank Frigging Haith precisely - alstl MU - 2/23 13:44:41
          that's not true, good coaches were interested in the job - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/23 13:55:40
               RE: that's not true, good coaches were interested in the job - Rabbit Test MU - 2/23 14:15:01
                    Why do people assume - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:18:20
                         I am not assuming that lowball cheap azz offer - Rabbit Test MU - 2/23 14:23:09
                              I forgot, you just make up numbers - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 14:24:53
          Wrong... - zounami MU - 2/23 13:54:28
               Wait, if we're such a destination - Mormad MU - 2/23 13:59:49
                    also, regarding Haith, he was able to win 23+ games with - zounami MU - 2/23 14:11:26
                    KU was in the same boat that we were in at the time... - zounami MU - 2/23 14:08:58
                         Are you saying it wasn't a Top 25 job - Mormad MU - 2/23 14:20:05
                              Not that particular year. That year was exceptional due to - zounami MU - 2/23 14:33:57
          More because Alden wasn't prepared and panicked (nm) - Cosmo MU - 2/23 13:46:30
     RE: This is why Missouri is a top 20-25 job... - MUTGR MU - 2/23 13:39:42
     it's nice to dream, but even you know better - Jeff85 MU - 2/23 13:36:09
          Can you refute the points & facts stated? (nm) - zounami MU - 2/23 13:42:56
     delusional(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 2/23 13:34:24
          Can you refute the points & facts stated? Or are you just a - zounami MU - 2/23 13:42:14
     Yes, offer Wright and Marshall $5 - $6M and get going.. - tigertix MU - 2/23 13:23:44
          Co-Coaches Jay Wright and Greggggggg Marshall - Fred G. Sanford USA - 2/23 13:27:28
               How about Lamont???nm - tigertix MU - 2/23 13:31:29
                    RE: How about Lamont???nm - Fred G. Sanford USA - 2/23 13:34:26
               The job is good, but not quite THAT good. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/23 13:29:39
     Last I knew - Jayhawk14 KU - 2/23 13:20:32
          How's your daughter holding up in the BB dorm during the - tigertix MU - 2/23 13:22:42
          You had a player arrested again. - Rabbit Test MU - 2/23 13:21:57
               "Former teammate's uninsured car" - Mormad MU - 2/23 14:06:01
                    Effing too dumb to clear a bench warrant. Just - Rabbit Test MU - 2/23 14:38:28
          in title only (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 2/23 13:21:21
     RE: This is why Missouri is a top 20-25 job... - Big Ray 2 USA - 2/23 13:18:46
          Dear beak: I just explained, with a multitude of facts, why - zounami MU - 2/23 13:23:23
          Based on the historical record - Rabbit Test MU - 2/23 13:21:19
               This thread is about the *job*, not the program. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/23 13:25:27
          With a good coach, it's top 30. With a great coach, - Diamond Dave MU - 2/23 13:20:36
               The semantics of the word "program" often depend on context. - zounami MU - 2/23 13:37:27
               That's about right - the sleeping giant analogy is solid(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/23 13:23:59
               With a decent coach we at least will have money - Rabbit Test MU - 2/23 13:23:46
     It's a very good job that Alden reduced to ashes - Diamond Dave MU - 2/23 13:08:39
          oh come on. Enough with the crying - restore the roar MU - 2/23 13:10:23
               Didn't I just say it's a very good job. It's a top-3 SEC - Diamond Dave MU - 2/23 13:11:12
                    again, my post wasn't just directed at you, but the - restore the roar MU - 2/23 13:17:33
                         Three average hires, at best, and one atrocious one. But - Diamond Dave MU - 2/23 13:19:34
                              MA was an above average hire in retrospect - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 13:21:20
                                   Not really. His last team was blasted out of the NCAAs - Diamond Dave MU - 2/23 13:24:38
                                        A UAB-ish run? - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 13:31:53
          Can't agree with that - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 13:09:31
               Any number of competent ADs could've gotten the facilities - Diamond Dave MU - 2/23 13:12:41
                    Disagree - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 13:15:16
                         So you're saying Alden solicited the SEC for inclusion? - Diamond Dave MU - 2/23 13:18:34
                              RE: So you're saying Alden solicited the SEC for inclusion? - TigerUppercut MU - 2/23 13:20:37
                                   He said "Hey Man, I'm just saying" to Sankey? Lol - Diamond Dave MU - 2/23 13:22:55




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