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Repudiating the National Debt

Posted on: October 15, 2017 at 09:45:03 CT
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By Murray Rothbard:

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Most people, unfortunately, apply the same analysis to public debt as they do to private. If sanctity of contracts should rule in the world of private debt, shouldn't they be equally as sacrosanct in public debt? Shouldn't public debt be governed by the same principles as private? The answer is no, even though such an answer may shock the sensibilities of most people. The reason is that the two forms of debt-transaction are totally different. If I borrow money from a mortgage bank, I have made a contract to transfer my money to a creditor at a future date; in a deep sense, he is the true owner of the money at that point, and if I don't pay I am robbing him of his just property. But when government borrows money, it does not pledge its own money; its own resources are not liable. Government commits not its own life, fortune, and sacred honor to repay the debt, but ours. This is a horse, and a transaction, of a very different color.

For unlike the rest of us, government sells no productive good or service and therefore earns nothing. It can only get money by looting our resources through taxes, or through the hidden tax of legalized counterfeiting known as "inflation." There are some exceptions, of course, such as when the government sells stamps to collectors or carries our mail with gross inefficiency, but the overwhelming bulk of government revenues is acquired through taxation or its monetary equivalent. Actually, in the days of monarchy, and especially in the medieval period before the rise of the modern state, kings got the bulk of their income from their private estates — such as forests and agricultural lands. Their debt, in other words, was more private than public, and as a result, their debt amounted to next to nothing compared to the public debt that began with a flourish in the late 17th century.

The public debt transaction, then, is very different from private debt. Instead of a low-time-preference creditor exchanging money for an IOU from a high-time-preference debtor, the government now receives money from creditors, both parties realizing that the money will be paid back not out of the pockets or the hides of the politicians and bureaucrats, but out of the looted wallets and purses of the hapless taxpayers, the subjects of the state. The government gets the money by tax-coercion; and the public creditors, far from being innocents, know full well that their proceeds will come out of that selfsame coercion. In short, public creditors are willing to hand over money to the government now in order to receive a share of tax loot in the future. This is the opposite of a free market, or a genuinely voluntary transaction. Both parties are immorally contracting to participate in the violation of the property rights of citizens in the future. Both parties, therefore, are making agreements about other people's property, and both deserve the back of our hand. The public credit transaction is not a genuine contract that need be considered sacrosanct, any more than robbers parceling out their shares of loot in advance should be treated as some sort of sanctified contract.

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I propose, then, a seemingly drastic but actually far less destructive way of paying off the public debt at a single blow: outright debt repudiation. Consider this question: why should the poor, battered citizens of Russia or Poland or the other ex-Communist countries be bound by the debts contracted by their former Communist masters? In the Communist situation, the injustice is clear: that citizens struggling for freedom and for a free-market economy should be taxed to pay for debts contracted by the monstrous former ruling class. But this injustice only differs by degree from "normal" public debt. For, conversely, why should the Communist government of the Soviet Union have been bound by debts contracted by the Czarist government they hated and overthrew? And why should we, struggling American citizens of today, be bound by debts created by a past ruling elite who contracted these debts at our expense? One of the cogent arguments against paying blacks "reparations" for past slavery is that we, the living, were not slaveholders. Similarly, we the living did not contract for either the past or the present debts incurred by the politicians and bureaucrats in Washington.

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Repudiating the National Debt - ummmm MU - 10/15 09:45:03
     That is such a cluelessly stupid argument. - GA Tiger MU - 10/15 10:48:32
          RE: That is such a cluelessly stupid argument. - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:52:32
               1)Mainly because most of them voted in the crew that - GA Tiger MU - 10/15 10:58:16
                    RE: 1)Mainly because most of them voted in the crew that - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:07:01
     There's nothing in that article that I agree with - tigerdb MU - 10/15 10:40:07
          Yeah, but in particular, what do you disagree with - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:43:54
     45 - tigerdb MU - 10/15 10:31:02
          In particular, what do you disagree with in the four - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:35:49
     Nice read - tcat UMKC - 10/15 10:05:54
          He's saying that you need to recognize the national debt - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:14:05
          he's saying default on the national debt - Ferg STL - 10/15 10:13:17
               Destroy the economy? What a cartoonish way to look at it. - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:17:19
                    What do you think would happen to the stock market in your - tigerdb MU - 10/15 10:36:42
                         As far as eating and fueling my car, I would intend on using - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:41:54
                              How would you get them? - tigerdb MU - 10/15 10:44:57
                                   From a grocery store and a gas station, most likely. - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:49:57
                                        Why do you think the grocery store would still be there? - tigerdb MU - 10/15 10:56:03
                                             Because people like food, and because the production - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:00:06
                                                  How does food get to the grocery store? - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:07:14
                                                       RE: How does food get to the grocery store? - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:10:05
                                                            So, someone with tools just went out and built a road? - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:14:24
                                                                 Yes, that's how roads are built - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:16:54
                                                                      The government created the right to build those roads. - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:20:53
                                                                           Created the right to build those roads? What on earth - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:23:36
                                                                                Ever hear of EASEMENTS? Where do you think roadways are - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:29:10
                                                                                     Lol - pickle MU - 10/15 11:31:55
                                                                                          It always comes back to roads. - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:32:45
                                                                                     Ohhh, you meant to say that the govt created a system - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:31:41
                                                                                          Are you truly this dense? - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:37:38
                                                                                               We're not even debating the current govt. framework - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:40:03
                                                                                                    You asked, "who said the easements would cease to exist" - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:43:53
                                                                                                         POOF! - pickle MU - 10/15 11:50:57
                                                                                                              It really IS - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:54:48
                                                                                                                   I'm sorry - pickle MU - 10/15 11:57:36
                                                                                                                        Have you looked in the mirror (in your mother's basement)? - tigerdb MU - 10/15 12:02:49
                                                                                                                             You haven't shown knowledge of anything here - pickle MU - 10/15 12:33:37
                                                                                                                                  I've shown knowledge of who owns the land underneath - tigerdb MU - 10/15 12:58:06
                                                                                                                                       That was easily the least important thing being discussed - ummmm MU - 10/15 13:15:17
                                                                                                                                            No dumb**** - tigerdb MU - 10/15 13:27:36
                                                                                                         Private companies can obtain an easement over another - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:45:38
                                                                                                              AGAIN - they CAN, but what happens if the land owner doesn't - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:47:48
                                                                                                                   Then you build your road somewhere else. - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:48:57
                                                                                          Purchase or lease agreements - pickle MU - 10/15 11:33:25
                                                                                               WTF are you talking about? - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:41:30
                                                                                                    You should take a step back - pickle MU - 10/15 11:43:16
                                                                                                         Roads, food, gasoline would not exist but for the US govt's - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:44:32
                                                                                                    Pickle is saying that private road companies - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:42:16
                                                                                                         Not if the land owner doesn't want to sell/lease - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:45:23
                                                                                                              Great. That is the landowner's right. - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:46:31
                                                                                                                   Because it might be difficult to construct a roadway - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:49:30
                                                                                                                        RE: Because it might be difficult to construct a roadway - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:50:37
                         There would be a massive correction and finally some - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:41:31
                              "decent price discocery"? Wtf are you talking about, - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:02:49
                                   You're asking what would happen to the stock market - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:05:35
                                        I'm saying that in spite of the current regulations, - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:12:37
                                             No, that's what I am saying. - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:15:18
                                                  No - it didn't, once again, you're displaying naivete - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:24:37
                                                       No, no, you said that you don't want to invest in - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:26:59
                         RE: What do you think would happen to the stock market in your - pickle MU - 10/15 10:41:18
                              Welcome to the Dow 100 (and I'm not talking about the - tigerdb MU - 10/15 10:59:30
                                   It would be Dow natural - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:00:57
                                        You have no concept of economics - tigerdb MU - 10/15 11:09:14
                                             Again, are you mis-reading what I am saying? - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:13:40
                    yes, destroy the economy is an understatement. However, - Ferg STL - 10/15 10:26:52
                         Again, "destroy the economy" is a cartoonish way to look at - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:40:02
                              I think you're as naive as the author... - tigerdb MU - 10/15 10:43:35
                                   You must be misreading my posts. - ummmm MU - 10/15 10:48:11
                                        You call it a correction - it would be a depression. - tigerdb MU - 10/15 10:57:25
                                             Yes, corrections manifest as recessions - ummmm MU - 10/15 11:03:44
                         Truth - I don't see how someone could be SO simple-minded - tigerdb MU - 10/15 10:33:51




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