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With the exception of the workers in question and their
Posted on: December 3, 2016 at 12:34:05 CT
JG
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A great article on the Carrier deal
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 09:42:22
Just a massive amount of butthurt.
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justwinbaby
KC
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12/3 14:22:12
It's a shortsighted deal
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Ferg
STL
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12/3 11:19:34
Yeah, I don't think those numbers are correct
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Sal
KC
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12/3 12:11:04
1100 workers staying out of 2400
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JG
A
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12/3 13:19:29
2100 were moving, not "at risk". (nm)
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 15:31:55
2400 and from an American POV
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JG
A
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12/3 16:44:22
it's an odd reaction, isn't it? (nm)
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 12:40:06
Only Indiana made a tax deal, there aren't 330,000,000
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:45:41
Why did donald cut a deal with Carrier to move 600 jobs to
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tigerdb
MU
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12/3 10:50:32
Because anecdotes (no matter that over half
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JG
A
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12/3 11:01:01
Ah, so you think this is not only philosophically wrong but
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:17:23
With the exception of the workers in question and their
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JG
A
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12/3 12:34:05
how is that? (nm)
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 12:40:29
Well those workers keep their jobs
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JG
A
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12/3 12:41:58
Yes, how does it hurt others elsewhere - other than
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 12:42:45
higher prices
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JG
A
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12/3 13:04:41
higher prices for what? carrier just saved 7 million in
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 14:22:21
air conditioners
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JG
A
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12/3 18:03:57
so you like the government dictating operational strategy
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Ferg
STL
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12/3 11:21:49
dictate? Carrier could have opted to move the position
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:46:20
They're moving 600; were never going to move 300 of those
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tigerdb
MU
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12/3 11:50:40
what are you talking about? UTX planned to move 2100
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:56:39
trump "saved" 800 - claimed 1,100 Carrier jobs;
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tigerdb
MU
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12/3 12:18:44
so you agree 800 jobs are staying. fine (nm)
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 12:38:43
Probably only needed one photo op (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:51:42
Yay, American jobs suck. nm.
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MUTGR
MU
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12/3 10:30:36
Jobs should never be the focus.
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:32:31
Jobs for the working class should absolutely be the focus
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MUTGR
MU
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12/3 11:07:47
Yes with middle ages level productivity. Productivity is
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TigerMatt
STL
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12/3 10:57:23
Myopic and simplistic opinion piece lacking facts and logic
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Salty Dog
MU
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12/3 10:12:50
Republigistians don't really believe in the free market
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JG
A
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12/3 10:40:39
RE: Republigistians don't really believe in the free market
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Uncle Fester
USMC
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12/3 11:23:26
some don't
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Ferg
STL
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12/3 11:17:18
Some might
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JG
A
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12/3 12:42:44
it certainly focuses only on one half of the "unseen"
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:24:37
Trump cannot apply tariffs to Carrier
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raskolnikov
MU
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12/3 10:11:45
Progressives who put corporate profits over American jobs. n
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MUTGR
MU
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12/3 10:31:48
^^ Been listening to the myopic simplicity and bias of NPR
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Salty Dog
MU
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12/3 10:17:38
Haven't listened to NPR in a long while, that is just
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raskolnikov
MU
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12/3 10:26:30
the comparison to the auto bailout is funny. this isn't
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:55:35
Toro is the one who brought it up(nm)
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raskolnikov
MU
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12/3 12:33:18
Well, at least, you are now learning the nature of govt. (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:17:25
RE: A great article on the Carrier deal
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:10:43
Everything about this story is speculative, but we should
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:15:32
That's all well and good but considering the unseen in
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:16:55
You have to totally remove the DoD from your analysis
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:19:19
Removing the DoD is absurd, they are a business agent
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:22:06
If the exercise is to determine whether or not keeping
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:27:43
is that the exercise? to determine where in the globe
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:15:34
The exercise, from the article in my OP, is to determine
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 11:49:12
is the facility operating at higher costs given the tax
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 12:05:50
Lots of assumptions and what ifs in that article.
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tiger4real
MU
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12/3 09:46:35
Here's what I think is probable.
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Evenflow
MU
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12/3 09:59:27
"to threaten their livelihood"? you mean to ensure they
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:11:29
I realize you've become a big Trump Fan now but
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Evenflow
MU
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12/3 10:14:20
Sure, but isn't that a different conversation and issue
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:17:39
His 'angle' is the 600 dollar toilet seat, basically.(nm)
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Evenflow
MU
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12/3 10:26:15
in other words, he got a deal done.
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tiger4real
MU
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12/3 10:07:53
I mean, if that's what you think government's role is,
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Evenflow
MU
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12/3 10:12:21
Yes I would.
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tiger4real
MU
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12/3 10:23:21
The Carrier deal is a threat. (nm)
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Evenflow
MU
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12/3 10:27:01
to whom?nm
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tiger4real
MU
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12/3 10:29:07
Any other company who tries to do what Trump
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Evenflow
MU
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12/3 10:30:24
any other company doing business with the US? getting
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:22:01
we'll see about that. I don't think so.nm
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tiger4real
MU
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12/3 10:34:10
govt is one of the players in this deal - the DoD buys
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:14:43
True, and the author acknowledges that. (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 09:47:26
Here's the thing, Mexico has already said they will adapt.
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tiger4real
MU
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12/3 10:01:30
See this is the problem with what Hayek called the "fatal
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:09:26
Here's the rub, Trump isn't operating in a free market vacuu
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:12:52
Exactly. US govt fiscal policy has been pathetic.
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tiger4real
MU
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12/3 10:19:10
You're not defending the free market here, fyi
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:20:46
im for a complete reversal in what govt has been doing the
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tiger4real
MU
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12/3 10:28:40
If you are for a complete reversal, then support a broad
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:36:02
We aren't privy to all the details of this negotiation.
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tiger4real
MU
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12/3 10:41:53
The lowering of taxes is a step in the right direction
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:47:32
You're not defending it either, ummmm. You're defending
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:23:43
In pointing out that the govt should not interfere with
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:30:32
the govt is part of the business transaction here, ummmm -
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:16:31
That is the problem, of course.
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 11:50:08
You seem to be selecting only a few of those
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:57:52
Be that as it may, it doesn't undo underlying economic
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:16:41
Who claims they do? Who knows they are wrong or right?
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 10:20:10
Seeing that supporters of this Carrier deal are certain that
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 10:24:46
Trump and Pence aren't acting on Carrier's behalf. they are
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 11:21:11
You are totally missing this one, 90
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ummmm
MU
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12/3 11:52:44
last point - why do you call "lower prices for A/C units"
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 12:39:48
no, those are unseen also. you also are assuming
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90Tiger
MU
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12/3 12:07:23