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im for a complete reversal in what govt has been doing the

Posted on: December 3, 2016 at 10:28:40 CT

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Last 8 years. This Carrier deal is symbolic of that, to me. Once he's in office, you will see more 'free market' actions - by your definition - lower taxes and cost of doing business. I hope we don't see tariffs or other costs to doing business ...or govt negotitatimg business deals. I agree with you on that point. But the fight our govt has brought to US companies and "Wall Street" the last 8 years has resulted in massive economic underperformance. This latest deal is a signal to every business in the country - and the world - that the United States is no longer going to be a thorn in their side.

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A great article on the Carrier deal - ummmm MU - 12/3 09:42:22

Just a massive amount of butthurt. - justwinbaby KC - 12/3 14:22:12

It's a shortsighted deal - Ferg STL - 12/3 11:19:34

Yeah, I don't think those numbers are correct - Sal KC - 12/3 12:11:04

1100 workers staying out of 2400 - JG A - 12/3 13:19:29

2100 were moving, not "at risk". (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 15:31:55

2400 and from an American POV - JG A - 12/3 16:44:22

it's an odd reaction, isn't it? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 12:40:06

Only Indiana made a tax deal, there aren't 330,000,000 - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:45:41

Why did donald cut a deal with Carrier to move 600 jobs to - tigerdb MU - 12/3 10:50:32

Because anecdotes (no matter that over half - JG A - 12/3 11:01:01

Ah, so you think this is not only philosophically wrong but - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:17:23

With the exception of the workers in question and their - JG A - 12/3 12:34:05

how is that? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 12:40:29

Well those workers keep their jobs - JG A - 12/3 12:41:58

Yes, how does it hurt others elsewhere - other than - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 12:42:45

higher prices - JG A - 12/3 13:04:41

higher prices for what? carrier just saved 7 million in - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 14:22:21

air conditioners - JG A - 12/3 18:03:57

so you like the government dictating operational strategy - Ferg STL - 12/3 11:21:49

dictate? Carrier could have opted to move the position - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:46:20

They're moving 600; were never going to move 300 of those - tigerdb MU - 12/3 11:50:40

what are you talking about? UTX planned to move 2100 - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:56:39

trump "saved" 800 - claimed 1,100 Carrier jobs; - tigerdb MU - 12/3 12:18:44

so you agree 800 jobs are staying. fine (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 12:38:43

Probably only needed one photo op (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:51:42

Yay, American jobs suck. nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/3 10:30:36

Jobs should never be the focus. - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:32:31

Jobs for the working class should absolutely be the focus - MUTGR MU - 12/3 11:07:47

Yes with middle ages level productivity. Productivity is - TigerMatt STL - 12/3 10:57:23

Myopic and simplistic opinion piece lacking facts and logic - Salty Dog MU

- 12/3 10:12:50

Republigistians don't really believe in the free market - JG A - 12/3 10:40:39

RE: Republigistians don't really believe in the free market - Uncle Fester USMC - 12/3 11:23:26

some don't - Ferg STL - 12/3 11:17:18

Some might - JG A - 12/3 12:42:44

it certainly focuses only on one half of the "unseen" - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:24:37

Trump cannot apply tariffs to Carrier - raskolnikov MU - 12/3 10:11:45

Progressives who put corporate profits over American jobs. n - MUTGR MU - 12/3 10:31:48

^^ Been listening to the myopic simplicity and bias of NPR - Salty Dog MU

- 12/3 10:17:38

Haven't listened to NPR in a long while, that is just - raskolnikov MU - 12/3 10:26:30

the comparison to the auto bailout is funny. this isn't - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:55:35

Toro is the one who brought it up(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/3 12:33:18

Well, at least, you are now learning the nature of govt. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:17:25

RE: A great article on the Carrier deal - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:10:43

Everything about this story is speculative, but we should - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:15:32

That's all well and good but considering the unseen in - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:16:55

You have to totally remove the DoD from your analysis - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:19:19

Removing the DoD is absurd, they are a business agent - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:22:06

If the exercise is to determine whether or not keeping - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:27:43

is that the exercise? to determine where in the globe - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:15:34

The exercise, from the article in my OP, is to determine - ummmm MU - 12/3 11:49:12

is the facility operating at higher costs given the tax - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 12:05:50

Lots of assumptions and what ifs in that article. - tiger4real MU - 12/3 09:46:35

Here's what I think is probable. - Evenflow MU - 12/3 09:59:27

"to threaten their livelihood"? you mean to ensure they - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:11:29

I realize you've become a big Trump Fan now but - Evenflow MU - 12/3 10:14:20

Sure, but isn't that a different conversation and issue - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:17:39

His 'angle' is the 600 dollar toilet seat, basically.(nm) - Evenflow MU - 12/3 10:26:15

in other words, he got a deal done. - tiger4real MU - 12/3 10:07:53

I mean, if that's what you think government's role is, - Evenflow MU - 12/3 10:12:21

Yes I would. - tiger4real MU - 12/3 10:23:21

The Carrier deal is a threat. (nm) - Evenflow MU - 12/3 10:27:01

to whom?nm - tiger4real MU - 12/3 10:29:07

Any other company who tries to do what Trump - Evenflow MU - 12/3 10:30:24

any other company doing business with the US? getting - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:22:01

we'll see about that. I don't think so.nm - tiger4real MU - 12/3 10:34:10

govt is one of the players in this deal - the DoD buys - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:14:43

True, and the author acknowledges that. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/3 09:47:26

Here's the thing, Mexico has already said they will adapt. - tiger4real MU - 12/3 10:01:30

See this is the problem with what Hayek called the "fatal - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:09:26

Here's the rub, Trump isn't operating in a free market vacuu - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:12:52

Exactly. US govt fiscal policy has been pathetic. - tiger4real MU - 12/3 10:19:10

You're not defending the free market here, fyi - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:20:46

im for a complete reversal in what govt has been doing the - tiger4real MU - 12/3 10:28:40

If you are for a complete reversal, then support a broad - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:36:02

We aren't privy to all the details of this negotiation. - tiger4real MU - 12/3 10:41:53

The lowering of taxes is a step in the right direction - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:47:32

You're not defending it either, ummmm. You're defending - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:23:43

In pointing out that the govt should not interfere with - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:30:32

the govt is part of the business transaction here, ummmm - - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:16:31

That is the problem, of course. - ummmm MU - 12/3 11:50:08

You seem to be selecting only a few of those - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:57:52

Be that as it may, it doesn't undo underlying economic - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:16:41

Who claims they do? Who knows they are wrong or right? - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 10:20:10

Seeing that supporters of this Carrier deal are certain that - ummmm MU - 12/3 10:24:46

Trump and Pence aren't acting on Carrier's behalf. they are - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 11:21:11

You are totally missing this one, 90 - ummmm MU - 12/3 11:52:44

last point - why do you call "lower prices for A/C units" - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 12:39:48

no, those are unseen also. you also are assuming - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 12:07:23

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