Missouri Tigers Athletics :: Mizzou College Sports :: TigerBoard.com :: RE: Good records are not subjective. 20-8 is good 16-12 is not.

Wanting to Gauge Us Diehard's Expectation's Next Year - WrightWing MU - 5/11 00:59:37

look at the past if you want to know the future - cal tiger MU - 5/11 17:25:07

I do not have any expectations for next year - KC rules MU - 5/11 17:16:03

Hard to say without knowing the schedule. SEC record... - Lerxst MU

- 5/11 13:34:06

9-9 the SEC plays an 18 game schedule - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 13:41:55

Ugh. That would be really disappointing, but it wouldn't... - Lerxst MU

- 5/11 14:13:35

This coming season has to be all about - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 14:17:28

As in 3 years from now? - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 14:38:03

2023 is after next season - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 14:40:36

Ok, that seems like a tolerable timeline - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 14:46:48

Who knows if they can do it - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 14:56:17

We're not interested in progress here. We demand top 2-3 in - sprintcar STL - 5/11 14:59:06

In year five a program should be on solid footing with an - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/12 07:46:24

Me. (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 14:58:01

If MU can go 44-0 in upcoming SEC conf games - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 14:17:13

lol you're an a**hole (nm) - phrejd MU

- 5/11 14:28:12

RE: lol you're an a**hole (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 14:35:58

love it (nm) - phrejd MU

- 5/11 14:37:25

with this many new faces I don't know how anybody can - alstl MU - 5/11 13:09:21

Simply put their ceiling is pretty low and their floor is - Missiurifarmboy MU - 5/11 12:44:23

Totally disagree - Mormad MU - 5/11 12:50:40

Bull crap. - alwaysright MU - 5/11 14:04:13

pretty bold statements in a thread asking for predictions - phrejd MU

- 5/11 13:17:09

I think I'm right on it! - Mormad MU - 5/11 13:18:40

agreed (nm) - zoomer 99 - 5/11 13:10:36

I agree with your disagreement. - Nazfan MU - 5/11 12:55:02

This group (meaning TigerBoard) seems to hold them - Mormad MU - 5/11 12:59:17

I certainly don't know what to expect from the players - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:07:13

Don't disagree with that - a lot of unknowns - Mormad MU - 5/11 13:14:37

Here you go: - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:20:41

I'd take it in a heartbeat - Mormad MU - 5/11 13:23:00

We lost to Doc Sadler's Nebraska team on 1/10/2009 that - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:31:46

There is a difference between making the case that he should - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:45:30

Oooof, I remember that game - Mormad MU - 5/11 13:32:45

Doc was Mike Anderson's kryptonite. - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:37:14

Same here. I really don't know what to expect, I just like - Nazfan MU - 5/11 13:02:02

I'm glad some of you are still optimistic, but I have to - Missiurifarmboy MU - 5/11 13:14:21

You may be spot on...but I personally see no point - Nazfan MU - 5/11 14:46:05

There's some of that for me too - Mormad MU - 5/11 14:51:45

I don't think anyone is down on the players. I am happy - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:22:35

No, I feel bad for them because a lot of people are - Missiurifarmboy MU - 5/11 13:31:11

I coached baseball and volleyball in the inner city for - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:49:15

In MU bb terms, that is called Russell Woods'ing it. - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:52:32

When you go into every game knowing that the competition has - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:59:53

RE: When you go into every game knowing that the competition has - HSCoach STL - 5/11 15:27:54

I think six wins is about what will see in the SEC. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 22:15:45

Would you be pleased with a team - Mormad MU - 5/11 14:11:24

There are an overwhelming amount of unknowns regarding - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 14:40:10

I would actually be pleased with this team if we had a new - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 14:14:49

Absolutely not saying that you're wrong - Mormad MU - 5/11 13:18:07

I am optimistic. I think we will be much more athletic - Nazfan MU - 5/11 11:39:01

9-17 if things fall just right. - Pikespeaktiger MU - 5/11 11:30:21

I am cautiously optimistic - Mormad MU - 5/11 11:25:22

16-16 record - Fred G. Sanford USA - 5/11 11:08:24

I want to see the schedule first - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 11:34:31

I think 16-16 would be a good season for this team. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 11:24:01

RE: I think 16-16 would be a good season for this team. - Frank Poncherello MU - 5/11 11:35:40

In this era of college bb, you have to be absolutely - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 11:26:46

RE: In this era of college bb, you have to be absolutely - TONYTIGR MU - 5/11 11:52:57

I'm talking about teams in major conferences - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 11:57:38

RE: I'm talking about teams in major conferences - TONYTIGR MU - 5/11 12:32:02

Dreadful would be the term I would use to describe them (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 12:38:43

RE: Dreadful would be the term I would use to describe them (nm) - TONYTIGR MU - 5/11 12:49:41

This era of college bb is characterized by SOS and - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:03:02

RE: This era of college bb is characterized by SOS and - TONYTIGR MU - 5/11 13:09:20

Fair enough, I stand corrected and appreciate your - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:11:13

RE: Fair enough, I stand corrected and appreciate your - TONYTIGR MU - 5/11 13:21:59

We are probably more aligned then than you suspect - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:27:14

That is the problem with having 350 teams in DI. Compared - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:19:36

If you are not a complete disaster, KA, P5 coaches start the - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 12:03:16

Mizzou doesn’t play 10 buy games - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 12:08:48

In an average year we play 12 nocons. We have been - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 12:25:33

Mizzou has played at least 5 P6 teams - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 12:29:53

Here was last season's noncon - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:00:33

Interesting the Big East is a stronger conference - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 13:08:08

RE: Mizzou has played at least 5 P6 teams - TONYTIGR MU - 5/11 12:53:30

Well we didn't last year - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 12:35:11

Thanks for confirming what I said (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 12:40:38

No problem. I'm not replying in an attempt to - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 12:44:15

No I appreciate you bringing those details - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 12:47:06

I think we will have equal talent to many of our early - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 11:38:31

If that is the case, surely he wouldn't finish out the - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 11:44:16

He is getting paid $3M a year with no expectation of success - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 11:47:28

RE: He is getting paid $3M a year with no expectation of success - TONYTIGR MU - 5/11 12:58:53

The expectation is to build to a level of success - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 11:53:10

He had a top #4 recruiting class on day one. There is no - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 11:59:45

The unfortunate reality is we may never - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 12:12:27

I suppose it's possible that someone could post more - sprintcar STL - 5/11 12:56:28

Two months after KIm was fired we had the best recruit in - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 12:19:49

It was fools gold. The challenges inherited by - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 12:28:21

Baylor recovered from a player murdering another player - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 12:33:11

As I've said, disagree. What Kim did - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 12:37:23

Even if Mizzou never recovers it is stupid to say that Kim - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:05:54

BB-wise, Kim left a much bigger mess than Bliss did (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:09:16

That is asinine, even by your standards. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:38:59

We were on NCAA probation and had serious APR issues - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 13:40:56

Those sanctions dated back to Haith, they were not Kim's - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:57:46

No, most of them were Kim's. And most of the - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 14:19:39

18 years from the player murdering a player - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 12:35:00

This isn’t football. Class recruiting rankings doesn’t - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 12:07:04

Whose fault is it that there is no NBA talent on this roster - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 12:16:08

Maybe there is future NBA talent on the roster - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 12:19:57

Yes but you are delusional. We have a P5 roster next season - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 12:27:15

Mizzou has a couple in the top 150 - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 12:31:57

Who is top 100 on this roster? The kids from Springfield - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 13:08:55

I am expecting both Kobe and Coleman - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 13:52:05

So you are expecting top 100 play from players who were - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 14:09:46

Dru was ranked in the 400’s - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 14:21:05

RE: Dru was ranked in the 400’s - TONYTIGR MU - 5/11 16:33:30

agreed (nm) - zoomer 99 - 5/11 11:18:08

this. Would I like better? Sure, but I don't see that - SabertoothTiger MU - 5/11 11:15:18

i see a natural continuation of the rebuild and taking the - phrejd MU

- 5/11 09:25:12

you are hilarious.(nm) - SabertoothTiger MU - 5/11 10:48:26

20 wins, or time to move on, nm - MU-TULSA MU - 5/11 09:13:32

In the NCAA of the last 25-30 years, 20 wins is a sign of - alwaysright MU - 5/11 11:38:02

Fans like this are why we don't attract good coaches - zoomer 99 - 5/11 09:16:32

there are about 10 fans like this on either side of this - SabertoothTiger MU - 5/11 10:58:18

20 wins is an incredibly low benchmark, in any normal era - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 09:54:03

Mizzou has failed to get to 20 wins in 16 of the last 30 - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 10:08:41

And we have failed to hire the right coach for the last - alwaysright MU - 5/11 11:39:00

3 of those seasons are under Cuonzo. He contributes to - Sigma MU - 5/11 11:02:27

And three with Kim. So of those 16 in the last 30 he is - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 11:07:13

I didn’t include this season - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 11:12:20

We missed out on one game, last season. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 11:20:38

Mizzou played 26 games - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 11:28:45

Mizzou had a worse record against non-tourney teams than - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 11:49:06

Well I didn’t include it because it was not a normal - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 11:57:39

2, games against Vandy/A&M were cancelled and not - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 11:24:16

And how did we fare against the weaker teams in the - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 11:50:08

I wasn't counting them as wins, just elaborating on - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 11:54:47

It was more in response to Wu-T who has repeatedly claimed - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 12:12:13

Those are all not good seasons. When they were occurring - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:17:25

frank haith averaged 25.3 wins per year (nm) - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:13:10

wrong. you know all 2013 wins were vacated, mini-Feej (nm) - zoomer 99 - 5/11 10:38:30

[rolls eyes] (nm) - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:40:53

you even respond like him now - zoomer 99 - 5/11 10:42:08

tell me more about these vacated wins - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:50:25

RE: wrong. you know all 2013 wins were vacated, mini-Feej (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:39:26

yes, and you can watch Rosie Ruiz win a Boston Marathon - zoomer 99 - 5/11 10:43:23

I guess I could expect a - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:47:03

another example of a childish, frustrated response (nm) - zoomer 99 - 5/11 10:47:27

Outside of frustrated I'm not sure how you expect - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:49:24

mike anderson averaged 22.2 wins per year (nm) - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:13:34

quin snyder averaged 21.25 wins per year (nm) - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:16:10

norm stewart averaged 20 wins per season and half those - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:18:37

And all 3 inherited large rebuilds (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:18:28

Haith inherited a rebuild? (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 10:21:40

Yes, huge. Probably more than Quin - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:25:28

Interesting. - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 10:28:02

certainly nothing like inheriting a roster loaded w/ 9 pros - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:33:05

lol (nm) - zoomer 99 - 5/11 10:38:59

I'm not sure you grasp what a rebuild is, if that is your - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:32:27

Mizzou hoops was respected at that time - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 10:40:53

That is a crazily inaccurate position - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:44:24

wait are you talking about a time before 2014? - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:34:59

This was before MU gave up on men's basketball - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:36:43

hell, frank haith averaged 25+ wins a season - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:07:04

He was the worst ever, until our next two coaches - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:15:55

it's unfortunate that people are so adamant that the last 7 - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:20:45

I don't even know why you would like MU bb in that scenario - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 10:27:05

LOL twice he has screwed up this team if he doesn't win 20 - TigerFan92 STL - 5/11 09:37:16

With as many games as they play... - Lakers_Ball UK - 5/11 09:35:16

Math is hard - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 09:41:54

Lol...You're such a tool. - Lakers_Ball UK - 5/11 09:47:00

i don't think this is going to work out for you (nm) - phrejd MU

- 5/11 09:53:30

I should know better. - Lakers_Ball UK - 5/11 09:55:37

agreed. anybody who expects us to field a competitive team - phrejd MU

- 5/11 09:30:41

2 (nm) - zoomer 99 - 5/11 09:01:25

Regardless of picks/%, your scenarios tell the real story - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 08:45:10

RE: Regardless of picks/%, your scenarios tell the real story - HSCoach STL - 5/11 09:20:10

Disagree, if you make the tourney you are - FIJItiger MU

- 5/11 09:51:56

Good records are not subjective. 20-8 is good 16-12 is not. - Sigma MU - 5/11 09:30:34

RE: Good records are not subjective. 20-8 is good 16-12 is not. - HSCoach STL - 5/11 09:36:12

You have low expectations & Cuonzo will meet them! - Sigma MU - 5/11 09:38:32

RE: You have low expectations & Cuonzo will meet them! - HSCoach STL - 5/11 09:47:32

50% of the P6 teams made the tournament in '21 (nm) - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:01:52

16-12 is basically cuonzo martin's career record (nm) - phrejd MU

- 5/11 09:32:50

Then a career yr is the most optimistic outlook from this - Sigma MU - 5/11 09:35:42

no i think he finally has the talent to showcase his true - phrejd MU

- 5/11 10:06:02

RE: Wanting to Gauge Us Diehard's Expectation's Next Year - TONYTIGR MU - 5/11 08:44:00

I’m expecting something like 2018-19 Mizzou, around .500 - the808bass MU - 5/11 08:15:35

RE: Wanting to Gauge Us Diehard's Expectation's Next Year - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 5/11 08:10:38

BIt of a rebuild year, but most these guys will stick around - raskolnikov MU - 5/11 07:27:38

Too many complete unknowns for next season - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/11 07:11:37

About .500 is probably the ceiling. - alwaysright MU - 5/11 06:37:19

Not feeling great obviously. - tjjefferson MU - 5/11 01:46:56

It’s transfers or modest freshmen, somebody has to play. - alwaysright MU - 5/11 06:38:59

RE: Not feeling great obviously. - HSCoach STL - 5/11 06:31:50

The key is limiting the step back - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 07:14:02

RE: The key is limiting the step back - HSCoach STL - 5/11 09:23:28

RE: Good records are not subjective. 20-8 is good 16-12 is not.

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