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The problem is you are applying laws of this

Posted on: October 12, 2017 at 20:18:34 CT
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physical universe in your examples. The universe as we know it and its laws did not exist prior to the Big Bang.

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Proving Human Worth: The Atheists Problem - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:37:46
     That is Bullsht, sorry - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 18:57:12
          A few thoughts in response... - JeffB MU - 10/12 20:38:00
               I LOVE Religions - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 22:25:19
                    RE: I LOVE Religions - JeffB MU - 10/12 23:30:46
                         RE: I LOVE Religions - raskolnikov MU - 10/13 08:03:29
                              RE: The veracity of the bible... & evidence for Christianity - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:15:50
                         Christianity has the truth because.. you know the bible - TigerMatt STL - 10/13 02:05:02
                              No. See my answer to rask above: - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:20:32
                              Precisely(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/13 08:03:59
               How pathetic and how arrogant - meatiger MU - 10/12 22:02:51
                    The question on the table is whether it would be logical to - JeffB MU - 10/12 22:29:12
                         Because I mostly do not care - meatiger MU - 10/12 22:46:44
                              yet they value each others lives and work together as a comm - JeffB MU - 10/12 23:35:38
                                   The history of religion is written in blood. Look at - TigerMatt STL - 10/13 00:01:07
                                        That is a very simplistic view of religion and does not - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:19:10
                              Another point - meatiger MU - 10/12 22:54:18
                                   Again, it all boils down to 'What is the truth'? - JeffB MU - 10/12 23:41:49
                                        Your religion uses fear - meatiger MU - 10/13 01:51:56
                                             That is a gross distortion of the truth. It is true that - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:31:04
                                        As long as your side wins right?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/13 00:03:00
                                             Again, it all boils down to what is the truth. Your alternat - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:33:33
               Your last paragraph applies exactly the same for - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 20:45:15
                    The same way Westboro Baptist did - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:48:04
          So the God you accept, did he make man - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:13:08
               RE: So the God you accept, did he make man - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:27:38
                    In the past, you said that abortion wasn't wrong, because - JeffB MU - 10/12 20:02:49
                         You simplify a comment I made in the heat of argument - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 22:29:12
                              OK, fair enough, your comment was made in the heat of the - JeffB MU - 10/12 22:40:11
                         Jeff, as a fellow Christian, ive been ponderung something - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:13:16
                              He could destroy the universe, but not eternity'. He is - JeffB MU - 10/12 22:13:20
                                   How contradictory. Second death is eternal separation - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 22:33:48
                                        and your evidence that souls just disintegrate into nothingn - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:49:55
                                   I just do NOT get Dualism, sorry - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 22:32:32
                              Destruction of the soul is not an uncommon belief - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:16:11
                                   WOW (nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 22:33:19
                                   Agree totally(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:16:56
                         Lol (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:06:32
                    So there is no intention to the creation - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:46:00
                    That is all very poetic and romantic - Preacher UMKC - 10/12 19:32:46
                         You cannot begin to interject "reality" into this discussion - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:42:41
                              The reality is all around you son - Preacher UMKC - 10/12 19:45:16
                                   You have no concept of rational argument technique. - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:48:50
                                        Speaking of befuddled - Preacher UMKC - 10/12 19:53:38
                                             Not really, vis a vis this discussion, for - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:57:33
                         "But unfortunately not true". Ha ha right . Uh huh - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:35:24
                    Wordworth wrote that our Death is but a sleep and an - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:29:24
          It isn't ludicrous. In absence of evidence of a creator - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:01:46
               Lol, no. Universe mandates a unifying origin & force(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 19:26:04
                    Universe must have an origin, but not God, right? - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:32:39
                         Right - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:57:33
                              Physical laws of the universe did not exist prior to the Big - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:05:34
                                   Why?(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 20:15:06
                                        The universe did not exist.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:16:45
                                             Sure it did, it was just very compact(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:18:22
                                                  No, it did not exist. - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:21:47
                                                       Statwmwnt of faith - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:23:25
                                                            Except those laws dont work at the Big Bang - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:30:40
                                                                 Or perhaps they are completely wrong about the bigbang - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:38:36
                                                                      All I know is science & religion is a nice break from - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:54:17
                                                                           RE: All I know is science & religion is a nice break from - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 21:04:01
                                                                      Difference between science and religion though - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:52:37
                                                                           If religion resists testing new ideas, why has it evolved - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 21:01:24
                                                                                U R a PAF, Queer, lol!(nm) - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 10/13 03:29:09
                         God is! Why does God have to have an origin?.... - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 19:39:42
                              That makes sense. But why should that - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 20:03:10
                                   There is one Alpha Power. Just like the Big Bang, if you - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 20:26:04
                                        What if there were an infinite number of Big Bangs - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:31:43
                                             You’re really missing all of this! Guess you don’t trust or - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 21:19:46
                                   What about the God of an alien species on a distant planet? - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:08:06
                                        What alien species? We are an alien species.... - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 21:22:31
                              Right because the universe appearing out of - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:47:06
                                   As I said, limited thinking. If you see a ball roll across - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 20:14:42
                                        The problem is you are applying laws of this - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:18:34
                                             More proof of God & I am not doing that. All you - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 20:31:59
                                                  Not at all. More and more physicists are on board with - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:46:32
                                                       That is simply not true. Those physicists would all - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 21:24:31
                                             Science cant prove that - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:21:49
                                                  Actually it can because the laws we know - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:23:21
                                                       They dont break down, they just all give the same answer - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:26:37
                                                            RE: They dont break down, they just all give the same answer - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 10/13 03:27:06
                                   No, a universe appearing out of nothing is impossible(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:59:00
                                        No more impossible than a God.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:04:39
                                             I freely and readly admit my belief in God is faith based - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:15:49
               There is no logical idea for tbe creation of - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:17:48
                    Matter is basically decayed energy (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:27:04
                         And the energy came from where?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:47:09
                              Who knows, but this might not be the only - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:59:47
               What do you mean by "a creator" ? - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:11:06
     Everyone is an atheist. Why is your god better than - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 17:37:32
          Matt,if you think the way the human body works is random - Macgrantt MU - 10/12 19:18:03
               Ok, here you make an unarguable comment: - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:31:49
          The more science evolves, the more it proves the - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 18:46:09
               No. It proves no such thing. Of course, you have - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:36:29
               Wow, we agree ? What's with that?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:12:31
               Lol wow. Not even close.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:48:44
                    Of course it’s close. So close it is fact! The huge majority - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 19:24:59
                         Show me the stats a huge majority of scientists - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:31:48
                              Here's some. - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:39:41
          RE: Everyone is an atheist. Why is your god better than - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 18:34:49
          LOL no - JG MU - 10/12 17:54:37
               You are way out of your league here. Best go back - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:03:24
                    Lol - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 18:07:54
                         LOL - JG MU - 10/12 18:08:54
                    I know I am - JG MU - 10/12 18:05:47
                         I know what atheist means, you don't. - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:15:01
                              Thanks for proving what a dishonest moran you is - JG MU - 10/12 18:16:15
                                   You have a serious detachment from reality.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:18:38
                                        Well your delusional version of it, at least - JG MU - 10/12 18:19:23
                                             Again, you are a moron.. Justin Martyr wrote in The First - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:29:45
                                                  Learn you some English - JG MU - 10/12 18:42:28
                                                       I can't help that you can't even use a dictionary.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:49:51
                                                            Doormattiny - JG MU - 10/12 19:00:22
                                                                 Down to childish made up words matching your - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:20:36
                                                                      LOL - JG MU - 10/12 19:21:36
                                                                           You are good at it. Maybe you can get on TV(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:34:38
     Agnostics got it together. - Toger STL - 10/12 17:08:07
     There is so much there which makes no sense. - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 16:59:09
          RE: 'I've love to hear some explanation here' - JeffB MU - 10/12 18:13:13
               One of your fallacies is that to sum up the - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 18:38:11
                    Please show me where I have misrepresented what - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:46:41
     Buddism - Knucklehead MU - 10/12 16:50:07
          Wow, that is simplistic and pretty wrong - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:02:50
          So what value did Buddha put upon human life? - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:54:56
               Through contemplation - Knucklehead MU - 10/12 16:59:31
                    From what I can tell, Buddhists pretty much disengage - JeffB MU - 10/12 17:34:09
                         There are millions and millions of Buddhists who are not - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:04:42
                              In fact, the Buddha tried asceticism and did not adopt it(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:06:09
                         Lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 18:37:30
                         RE: From what I can tell, Buddhists pretty much disengage - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 18:28:57
     One giant logical fallacy (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 16:39:22
          You have never been able to put together a cogent argument - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:47:26
               RE: You have never been able to put together a cogent argument - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 18:32:50
               Another logical fallacy - pickle MU - 10/12 17:07:17
                    Perhaps not. The article was just pointing out what I have - JeffB MU - 10/12 17:38:33
                         I have always said there is no meaning to life - pickle MU - 10/12 17:51:13
                              It is good that you know that that is the logical conclusion - JeffB MU - 10/13 08:58:18
                         Why does there have to be some special meaning - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 17:41:03
                              This is not 'proof' per se that atheism is false, but rather - JeffB MU - 10/13 08:56:52




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