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Proving Human Worth: The Atheists Problem

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Of course we have seen repeatedly in history that pagan and atheistic cultures human life is considered of little value. Life is cheap in a communist country, for instance.

Atheism vs. Human Worth
by Kenneth Hensley

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/atheism-vs-human-worth?mc_cid=8efd7dd4ef&mc_eid=01041ae867

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Value, Dignity, and the Christian Worldview

It’s clear that we share a universal intuition and strong belief in the unique value of human life. We speak very naturally of people possessing “inherent” value, “high” and “equal” value. We talk about the "dignity” each person “deserves.” We use words like priceless to describe human lives.

The biblical worldview confirms this intuition. If God exists, and we have been created in his image and likeness, then we do possess unique value among created beings. Christianity provides a metaphysical basis and foundation for what we seem to intuitively know to be true.

O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth. . . . When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, what is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him? You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor. You made him ruler over the works of your hands, and put everything under his feet. . . . O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth (Psalm 8:1, 3-6).

In accord with the Christian worldview, the truth of our value and dignity as human persons is something God has written on our hearts and etched into our very beings. It’s something we simply know.

Naturalism, Value, and Dignity

But what if the atheist-naturalist worldview is true? What if we really are nothing more than complicated biochemical machines that appear for a moment, gears spinning, and then disappear forever? What if we really have come from nowhere and are going nowhere? What if we really are nothing more than the product of an entirely impersonal, material universe?

What then becomes of inherent value and dignity? It would be an illusion. Objectively speaking, in a naturalist universe, we would have no more value than any other aspect of nature. The only “value” we would possess would be what others were willing to grant us in our few moments on this Earth.

This is something that consistent atheists admit all the time. As Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA, observed in a 1989 issue of Vogue: "Animal liberationists do not separate out the human animal. . . . A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They are all mammals."

Here’s how atheist philosopher James Rachels put it:

As Darwin clearly recognized, we are not entitled—not on evolutionary grounds, at any rate—to regard our own adaptive behavior as ‘better’ or ‘higher’ than that of a cockroach, who, after all, is adapted equally well to life in its own environmental niche.

Take a moment to read these quotations a time or two. Allow their meaning to sink in. This is consistent naturalism. This is what is simply true if there is no God, and we are merely the accidental products of nature. In this worldview, it would be “speciesism” to assign a higher value to one kind of animal over another.

Is there any way to escape this implication of the naturalist worldview? Is there any way to justify our intuition that human beings possess inherent, high, and equal value—higher than that of rats and pigs and dogs and cockroaches and equal to one another’s—without believing in our creation in God’s image?

Rachels doesn’t seem to think so. With the rejection of the biblical worldview, he concludes:

The traditional supports for the idea of human dignity are gone. . . . They have not survived the colossal shift of perspective brought about by Darwin’s theory. . . . [A] Darwinian may conclude that a successful defense of human dignity is most unlikely.

The Problem of “Equal” Value

So much for inherent value and high value; what about equal value?

We all say yes to this. Whether we believe in God or not, almost everyone believes in treating people as though they possessed equal value and dignity.

But can an atheist justify this belief on the basis of the worldview he holds?

Atheist philosopher Joel Feinberg has spent time thinking through this exact question. Since people quite obviously display inequalities of merit—greater or lesser amounts of talent, ability, personality, character, contribution to society, etc.—why, he wonders, do we have this universal intuition that each human being possesses equal value and should be treated with equal dignity?

His conclusion? However common it may be, this intuition has no basis whatsoever in the natural world. It’s an irrational and subjective feeling by which we agree to pretend everyone has equal value when in fact they don’t.

As grim as that idea sounds, though, I believe it can also be a powerful evangelistic tool. Because your atheist friend is the image and likeness of God—and thus knows that human beings possess inherent, high, and equal value—it’s going to bother him to realize that his worldview gives him no foundation for this belief; that his atheism directly contradicts something he feels in his bones.

This is no proof of God's existence, of course. But it's a powerful argument for our being more than accidents of nature. And that can open the door to some interesting conversations.

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Proving Human Worth: The Atheists Problem - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:37:46
     That is Bullsht, sorry - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 18:57:12
          A few thoughts in response... - JeffB MU - 10/12 20:38:00
               I LOVE Religions - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 22:25:19
                    RE: I LOVE Religions - JeffB MU - 10/12 23:30:46
                         RE: I LOVE Religions - raskolnikov MU - 10/13 08:03:29
                              RE: The veracity of the bible... & evidence for Christianity - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:15:50
                         Christianity has the truth because.. you know the bible - TigerMatt STL - 10/13 02:05:02
                              No. See my answer to rask above: - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:20:32
                              Precisely(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/13 08:03:59
               How pathetic and how arrogant - meatiger MU - 10/12 22:02:51
                    The question on the table is whether it would be logical to - JeffB MU - 10/12 22:29:12
                         Because I mostly do not care - meatiger MU - 10/12 22:46:44
                              yet they value each others lives and work together as a comm - JeffB MU - 10/12 23:35:38
                                   The history of religion is written in blood. Look at - TigerMatt STL - 10/13 00:01:07
                                        That is a very simplistic view of religion and does not - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:19:10
                              Another point - meatiger MU - 10/12 22:54:18
                                   Again, it all boils down to 'What is the truth'? - JeffB MU - 10/12 23:41:49
                                        Your religion uses fear - meatiger MU - 10/13 01:51:56
                                             That is a gross distortion of the truth. It is true that - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:31:04
                                        As long as your side wins right?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/13 00:03:00
                                             Again, it all boils down to what is the truth. Your alternat - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:33:33
               Your last paragraph applies exactly the same for - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 20:45:15
                    The same way Westboro Baptist did - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:48:04
          So the God you accept, did he make man - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:13:08
               RE: So the God you accept, did he make man - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:27:38
                    In the past, you said that abortion wasn't wrong, because - JeffB MU - 10/12 20:02:49
                         You simplify a comment I made in the heat of argument - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 22:29:12
                              OK, fair enough, your comment was made in the heat of the - JeffB MU - 10/12 22:40:11
                         Jeff, as a fellow Christian, ive been ponderung something - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:13:16
                              He could destroy the universe, but not eternity'. He is - JeffB MU - 10/12 22:13:20
                                   How contradictory. Second death is eternal separation - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 22:33:48
                                        and your evidence that souls just disintegrate into nothingn - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:49:55
                                   I just do NOT get Dualism, sorry - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 22:32:32
                              Destruction of the soul is not an uncommon belief - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:16:11
                                   WOW (nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 22:33:19
                                   Agree totally(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:16:56
                         Lol (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:06:32
                    So there is no intention to the creation - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:46:00
                    That is all very poetic and romantic - Preacher UMKC - 10/12 19:32:46
                         You cannot begin to interject "reality" into this discussion - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:42:41
                              The reality is all around you son - Preacher UMKC - 10/12 19:45:16
                                   You have no concept of rational argument technique. - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:48:50
                                        Speaking of befuddled - Preacher UMKC - 10/12 19:53:38
                                             Not really, vis a vis this discussion, for - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:57:33
                         "But unfortunately not true". Ha ha right . Uh huh - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:35:24
                    Wordworth wrote that our Death is but a sleep and an - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:29:24
          It isn't ludicrous. In absence of evidence of a creator - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:01:46
               Lol, no. Universe mandates a unifying origin & force(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 19:26:04
                    Universe must have an origin, but not God, right? - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:32:39
                         Right - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:57:33
                              Physical laws of the universe did not exist prior to the Big - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:05:34
                                   Why?(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 20:15:06
                                        The universe did not exist.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:16:45
                                             Sure it did, it was just very compact(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:18:22
                                                  No, it did not exist. - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:21:47
                                                       Statwmwnt of faith - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:23:25
                                                            Except those laws dont work at the Big Bang - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:30:40
                                                                 Or perhaps they are completely wrong about the bigbang - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:38:36
                                                                      All I know is science & religion is a nice break from - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:54:17
                                                                           RE: All I know is science & religion is a nice break from - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 21:04:01
                                                                      Difference between science and religion though - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:52:37
                                                                           If religion resists testing new ideas, why has it evolved - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 21:01:24
                                                                                U R a PAF, Queer, lol!(nm) - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 10/13 03:29:09
                         God is! Why does God have to have an origin?.... - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 19:39:42
                              That makes sense. But why should that - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 20:03:10
                                   There is one Alpha Power. Just like the Big Bang, if you - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 20:26:04
                                        What if there were an infinite number of Big Bangs - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:31:43
                                             You’re really missing all of this! Guess you don’t trust or - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 21:19:46
                                   What about the God of an alien species on a distant planet? - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:08:06
                                        What alien species? We are an alien species.... - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 21:22:31
                              Right because the universe appearing out of - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:47:06
                                   As I said, limited thinking. If you see a ball roll across - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 20:14:42
                                        The problem is you are applying laws of this - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:18:34
                                             More proof of God & I am not doing that. All you - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 20:31:59
                                                  Not at all. More and more physicists are on board with - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:46:32
                                                       That is simply not true. Those physicists would all - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 21:24:31
                                             Science cant prove that - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:21:49
                                                  Actually it can because the laws we know - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:23:21
                                                       They dont break down, they just all give the same answer - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:26:37
                                                            RE: They dont break down, they just all give the same answer - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 10/13 03:27:06
                                   No, a universe appearing out of nothing is impossible(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:59:00
                                        No more impossible than a God.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 20:04:39
                                             I freely and readly admit my belief in God is faith based - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 20:15:49
               There is no logical idea for tbe creation of - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:17:48
                    Matter is basically decayed energy (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:27:04
                         And the energy came from where?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/12 19:47:09
                              Who knows, but this might not be the only - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:59:47
               What do you mean by "a creator" ? - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:11:06
     Everyone is an atheist. Why is your god better than - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 17:37:32
          Matt,if you think the way the human body works is random - Macgrantt MU - 10/12 19:18:03
               Ok, here you make an unarguable comment: - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:31:49
          The more science evolves, the more it proves the - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 18:46:09
               No. It proves no such thing. Of course, you have - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:36:29
               Wow, we agree ? What's with that?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:12:31
               Lol wow. Not even close.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:48:44
                    Of course it’s close. So close it is fact! The huge majority - STL1DFW STL - 10/12 19:24:59
                         Show me the stats a huge majority of scientists - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:31:48
                              Here's some. - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 19:39:41
          RE: Everyone is an atheist. Why is your god better than - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 18:34:49
          LOL no - JG MU - 10/12 17:54:37
               You are way out of your league here. Best go back - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:03:24
                    Lol - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 18:07:54
                         LOL - JG MU - 10/12 18:08:54
                    I know I am - JG MU - 10/12 18:05:47
                         I know what atheist means, you don't. - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:15:01
                              Thanks for proving what a dishonest moran you is - JG MU - 10/12 18:16:15
                                   You have a serious detachment from reality.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:18:38
                                        Well your delusional version of it, at least - JG MU - 10/12 18:19:23
                                             Again, you are a moron.. Justin Martyr wrote in The First - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:29:45
                                                  Learn you some English - JG MU - 10/12 18:42:28
                                                       I can't help that you can't even use a dictionary.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 18:49:51
                                                            Doormattiny - JG MU - 10/12 19:00:22
                                                                 Down to childish made up words matching your - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:20:36
                                                                      LOL - JG MU - 10/12 19:21:36
                                                                           You are good at it. Maybe you can get on TV(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 19:34:38
     Agnostics got it together. - Toger STL - 10/12 17:08:07
     There is so much there which makes no sense. - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 16:59:09
          RE: 'I've love to hear some explanation here' - JeffB MU - 10/12 18:13:13
               One of your fallacies is that to sum up the - GA Tiger MU - 10/12 18:38:11
                    Please show me where I have misrepresented what - JeffB MU - 10/13 10:46:41
     Buddism - Knucklehead MU - 10/12 16:50:07
          Wow, that is simplistic and pretty wrong - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:02:50
          So what value did Buddha put upon human life? - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:54:56
               Through contemplation - Knucklehead MU - 10/12 16:59:31
                    From what I can tell, Buddhists pretty much disengage - JeffB MU - 10/12 17:34:09
                         There are millions and millions of Buddhists who are not - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:04:42
                              In fact, the Buddha tried asceticism and did not adopt it(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 19:06:09
                         Lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 18:37:30
                         RE: From what I can tell, Buddhists pretty much disengage - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 18:28:57
     One giant logical fallacy (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 16:39:22
          You have never been able to put together a cogent argument - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:47:26
               RE: You have never been able to put together a cogent argument - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 18:32:50
               Another logical fallacy - pickle MU - 10/12 17:07:17
                    Perhaps not. The article was just pointing out what I have - JeffB MU - 10/12 17:38:33
                         I have always said there is no meaning to life - pickle MU - 10/12 17:51:13
                              It is good that you know that that is the logical conclusion - JeffB MU - 10/13 08:58:18
                         Why does there have to be some special meaning - TigerMatt STL - 10/12 17:41:03
                              This is not 'proof' per se that atheism is false, but rather - JeffB MU - 10/13 08:56:52




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