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RE: Unrealisitically high expectations and resulting

Posted on: February 18, 2017 at 22:20:01 CT
tjwheeler UI
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I think that's projection about Illini fans on your part. Not too many Illini fans expect a top 10 program. There's quite a lot of room for improvement between a top 10 program and the current status. A consistent top 25 program is realistic based on what Illinois has typically done.
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My top 16 list of HC candidates (updated)... - zounami MU - 2/18 20:34:29
     Mark Gottfiried should be on no one's list - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/19 10:30:47
     Not bad but Keatts needs to be a lot higher - alwaysright MU - 2/19 09:20:00
     RE: My top 16 list of HC candidates (updated)... - hondo MU - 2/19 09:10:13
     Gregg Marshall makes $3.3 million a year - ERB KC - 2/18 21:49:41
          There is Talk of Wichita changing comferences, AAC - MoGold MU - 2/18 23:20:12
          He's worth as much as $6 million per year. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 22:02:40
               RE: He's worth as much as $6 million per year. (nm) - hondo MU - 2/19 09:13:11
               I say $74 GOLL DURN MILLION!!!!!!!!!1 A MONTH!!!!1 - Mothball MU - 2/18 22:50:24
                    Over the course of 12 years, yes. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 22:53:29
     I see only a few of those as realistic possibilities - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 21:49:26
          Dayton is not a better job than Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:51:25
               Agreed, it's not even close. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 22:17:31
               Over last ten years: - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:03:56
                    He said "job". Obviously, Dayton has had consistent success - zounami MU - 2/18 22:20:12
                         All Time wins: MU 1595 (38th) Dayton 1586 (42nd) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:29:21
                              1) Wins doesn't factor in SoS.. Look at # of NCAA tournament - zounami MU - 2/18 22:38:39
                                   Dayton's success isn't just under Miller. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:46:47
                                        You're better than this sort of silly flaming, TJ - AndyTiger MU - 2/19 00:08:30
                                             Not flaming at all. I think MU is better but Dayton is - tjwheeler UI - 2/19 11:09:31
                                                  We're two years removed from 6 straight put seasons - AndyTiger MU - 2/19 17:44:07
                                             no he isn't (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/19 08:41:20
                                        Regarding Missouri and Illinois, you should read this SI... - zounami MU - 2/18 22:53:02
                                             I've read it and didn't draw that conclusion. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:56:31
                                                  Of course you didn't, with your orange-tinted glasses. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 23:02:05
                                                       And your black and gold-tinted glasses. (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 23:20:19
                    You are misunderstanding current results - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 22:14:55
                         How am I misunderstanding current results?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:17:53
                              current result are not how good the job is (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 22:21:24
                                   Current results from last decade is a decent metric(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:29:54
                                        Not really, but even if you want to look at 2008-2017... - zounami MU - 2/18 22:32:32
                                             I was comparing Dayton and Missouri. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:37:05
                                                  You're the one who said "results from last decade is a - zounami MU - 2/18 22:40:19
                                                       I was using it to compare MU and Dayton and also - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:48:11
                                                            If Miller had been the coach at Illinois or Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 23:00:30
                    Agree-- in terms of recent success and history, the - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:12:52
               They sell out a 13,000-seat arena every night - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:01:49
                    What if they had Kim Anderson, winning 7 games per year?... - zounami MU - 2/18 22:04:21
                         They're ranked in the Top 30 for attendance every year since - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:10:39
                              Is that what they reported? We are currently reporting - zounami MU - 2/18 22:15:20
                                   Not sure actually. nm - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:19:16
                                        nm (replied to the wrong post) - zounami MU - 2/18 22:22:31
     BFD. Donate 4M a year for four years and - UMR85 MU - 2/18 21:28:23
          This is a message board. You seem unfamiliar with how they - zounami MU - 2/18 21:29:17
     I don't see how any of the top 8 leave their - ERB KC - 2/18 21:16:47
          All we need to do is convince one of them, and I think more - zounami MU - 2/18 21:24:49
               That is a good point, you never know who's looking to get - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 21:50:55
                    Missouri would be an upgrade over many of those schools, so - zounami MU - 2/18 22:01:10
                         Will have to agree to disagree on that. - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:03:48
                              Why doesn't the Big East get as much TV coverage as the - zounami MU - 2/18 22:05:43
                                   True, that's been a legitimate criticism - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:13:37
                                        If it's such a great league, then why is it's coverage so - zounami MU - 2/18 22:16:30
                                             I hear you on that - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:20:06
                    The American is supposedly in talks with WSU - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:53:33
                         Bad move. WSU goes back to being worthless as soon as - zounami MU - 2/18 22:28:59
                              they were pretty good with Turgeon before Marshall - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 23:05:49
     I'd be thrilled if we got anyone on that list. (nm) - AndyTiger MU - 2/18 21:04:48
     The funny thing is - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/18 20:56:12
          Cream will want too much, he's been to the top of the - MU-TULSA MU - 2/19 09:02:41
          New information must be considered. That's why stocks - zounami MU - 2/18 21:05:43
     RE: My top 16 list of HC candidates (updated)... - Chi-TownJ UI - 2/18 20:53:47
          Missouri and Illinois are comparable jobs, so you must think - zounami MU - 2/18 21:04:24
               RE: Missouri and Illinois are comparable jobs, so you must think - Chi-TownJ UI - 2/18 21:19:33
                    Are you talking about Northwestern and their proximity to - zounami MU - 2/18 21:23:21
                         RE: Are you talking about Northwestern and their proximity to - Chi-TownJ UI - 2/18 21:27:18
                              Hmmm. Missouri has a couple population centers as well, and - zounami MU - 2/18 21:28:17
                                   illinois is a better job, just not a way better job - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:31:33
                                        To head coaches, Missouri and Illinois are the same... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:33:40
                                             What BS to deal with? - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:43:28
                                                  We'll have to agree to disagree. If I were a head coach... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:57:09
                                                       Okay, Just wondered what the BS would be. (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:05:08
                                                            Unrealisitically high expectations and resulting - zounami MU - 2/18 22:09:34
                                                                 RE: Unrealisitically high expectations and resulting - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:20:01
                                             Both are a good coaching hire from being - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:38:59
                                                  Arkansas is NOT a better job. It's comparable to - zounami MU - 2/18 21:45:33
                                                       No way. I'd currently put MU above... - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:48:41
                                                            What do you mean "above"? As a program, MU is 4th... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:59:34
                                                                 Depends on what metrics for evaluating programs* - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:06:43
                                                                      Well, if you base it on number of NCAA tournament - zounami MU - 2/18 22:13:25
                                                                           That's all time? - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:22:45
                                                                                Yes, all-time. Historically, Missouri is a top 35 *program* - zounami MU - 2/18 22:27:30
                                                                                     Don't get how MU job is 25 but program 35 - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:32:10
                                                                                          Winning tradition, excellent recruiting base, only P5 school - zounami MU - 2/18 22:42:48
                                                                                               I think most of that is entirely subjective based on - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:50:17
                                                                                                    Easy to rack up wins for a D-1 coach. One of Missouri's - zounami MU - 2/18 23:01:08
                                                  I wouldn't say that about the BT. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:45:29
                                                       I would rank Michigan way lower - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:49:34
                                                            Title game in 2013, Elite 8 in 2014 - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:56:05
                                                                 I'm not using current results in ranking the jobs - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 22:18:55
                                                                      Okay. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:33:33
                                                                           Yea I was comparing jobs - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 23:02:12
                                                       It's unclear whether he's rankings teams, programs, or - zounami MU - 2/18 21:48:05
                                                            Good point(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:48:56
     RE: My top 16 list of HC candidates (updated)... - Tigerfem MU - 2/18 20:51:02
          Howland is an excellent fallback option... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:01:47
     I'm not buying Cronin. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:38:15
          Would be a great hire for either Mizzou or Illinois I think - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 21:55:33
          Has never finished higher than 4th? His last 3 finishes were - zounami MU - 2/18 20:44:38
               wheeler doesn't like truth(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 2/18 21:05:07
               and here are Cronin's Kenpom rankings the past 7 seasons... - zounami MU - 2/18 20:49:17
                    Doesn't move the needle for me considering the last - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:51:15
                         What difference does conference make for Kenpom ranking? (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 20:53:41
                              Fewer games against Top 25 or Top 50 teams. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:55:25
                                   Kenpom factors that in, SoS, etc... I guess it boils down to - zounami MU - 2/18 20:58:36
                                        What was their KenPOM SOS ratings last year? - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:04:32
                                        Rankings have them 18 as of today - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:00:52
                                             Look at who they've played in last 10 games - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:12:29
                                                  Two top 20 opponents in their last 10 games, one of which - zounami MU - 2/18 21:13:50
                                                       275, 20, 112, 111, 119, 275, 14, 264, 94, 224 - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:15:27
                                             NCAA tournament bound for a 7th straight season. That's - zounami MU - 2/18 21:02:44
                                                  I don't think Cronin is anything special. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:13:54
                                                       Well, he's # 3 on my list. I'll be pumped if we hire him. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 21:14:54
                                                            Again, not saying he's bad, but that MU can do better(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:15:46
                                                  He would be way better than the last 2 coaches - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:05:25
                                                       That is a really low bar(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:14:25
                                                            Now that I agree with. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 21:15:08
                                                       TJ must consider the MVC conference to be a buzzsaw... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:09:55
                                                            I'm not alone in valuing Marshall. * - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:18:18
                                                                 A lot of people consider Mick Cronin a hot commodity... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:22:00
                                                            Marshall has dominated that conference - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:13:22
                                   KenPom adjusts for strength of schedule (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 20:58:08
               I don't consider the AAC a real conference. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:48:24
                    His last year in the (old) Big East, he finished .500 and - zounami MU - 2/18 20:50:58
                         I'm not arguing he's awful, but he's not worthy of 3rd - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:52:28
                              if he adapts his offense to the new rules - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 20:56:48
                                   Is defense hard in the AAC? Meh(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:05:03
                                        WSU had the best defense in the nation last year - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:06:52




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