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Will have to agree to disagree on that.

Posted on: February 18, 2017 at 22:03:48 CT

mizzoudiehard MU

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As I posted above, I think Mizzou is a really, really good job. And while I'm still disappointed in the level of play in the SEC, it's still a power conference.

However, with that said, I think the Big East is a better league from top to bottom with more of a commitment to basketball. I don't see guys like Mack, Holtmann or McDermott looking to jump ship from that-- they're in a legitimate power conference now.

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My top 16 list of HC candidates (updated)... - zounami MU - 2/18 20:34:29

Mark Gottfiried should be on no one's list - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/19 10:30:47

Not bad but Keatts needs to be a lot higher - alwaysright MU - 2/19 09:20:00

RE: My top 16 list of HC candidates (updated)... - hondo MU - 2/19 09:10:13

Gregg Marshall makes $3.3 million a year - ERB KC - 2/18 21:49:41

There is Talk of Wichita changing comferences, AAC - MoGold MU - 2/18 23:20:12

He's worth as much as $6 million per year. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 22:02:40

RE: He's worth as much as $6 million per year. (nm) - hondo MU - 2/19 09:13:11

I say $74 GOLL DURN MILLION!!!!!!!!!1 A MONTH!!!!1 - Mothball MU - 2/18 22:50:24

Over the course of 12 years, yes. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 22:53:29

I see only a few of those as realistic possibilities - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 21:49:26

Dayton is not a better job than Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:51:25

Agreed, it's not even close. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 22:17:31

Over last ten years: - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:03:56

He said "job". Obviously, Dayton has had consistent success - zounami MU - 2/18 22:20:12

All Time wins: MU 1595 (38th) Dayton 1586 (42nd) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:29:21

1) Wins doesn't factor in SoS.. Look at # of NCAA tournament - zounami MU - 2/18 22:38:39

Dayton's success isn't just under Miller. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:46:47

You're better than this sort of silly flaming, TJ - AndyTiger MU

- 2/19 00:08:30

Not flaming at all. I think MU is better but Dayton is - tjwheeler UI - 2/19 11:09:31

We're two years removed from 6 straight put seasons - AndyTiger MU

- 2/19 17:44:07

no he isn't (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/19 08:41:20

Regarding Missouri and Illinois, you should read this SI... - zounami MU - 2/18 22:53:02

I've read it and didn't draw that conclusion. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:56:31

Of course you didn't, with your orange-tinted glasses. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 23:02:05

And your black and gold-tinted glasses. (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 23:20:19

You are misunderstanding current results - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 22:14:55

How am I misunderstanding current results?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:17:53

current result are not how good the job is (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 22:21:24

Current results from last decade is a decent metric(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:29:54

Not really, but even if you want to look at 2008-2017... - zounami MU - 2/18 22:32:32

I was comparing Dayton and Missouri. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:37:05

You're the one who said "results from last decade is a - zounami MU - 2/18 22:40:19

I was using it to compare MU and Dayton and also - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:48:11

If Miller had been the coach at Illinois or Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 23:00:30

Agree-- in terms of recent success and history, the - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:12:52

They sell out a 13,000-seat arena every night - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:01:49

What if they had Kim Anderson, winning 7 games per year?... - zounami MU - 2/18 22:04:21

They're ranked in the Top 30 for attendance every year since - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:10:39

Is that what they reported? We are currently reporting - zounami MU - 2/18 22:15:20

Not sure actually. nm - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:19:16

nm (replied to the wrong post) - zounami MU - 2/18 22:22:31

BFD. Donate 4M a year for four years and - UMR85 MU - 2/18 21:28:23

This is a message board. You seem unfamiliar with how they - zounami MU - 2/18 21:29:17

I don't see how any of the top 8 leave their - ERB KC - 2/18 21:16:47

All we need to do is convince one of them, and I think more - zounami MU - 2/18 21:24:49

That is a good point, you never know who's looking to get - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 21:50:55

Missouri would be an upgrade over many of those schools, so - zounami MU - 2/18 22:01:10

Will have to agree to disagree on that. - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:03:48

Why doesn't the Big East get as much TV coverage as the - zounami MU - 2/18 22:05:43

True, that's been a legitimate criticism - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:13:37

If it's such a great league, then why is it's coverage so - zounami MU - 2/18 22:16:30

I hear you on that - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 22:20:06

The American is supposedly in talks with WSU - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:53:33

Bad move. WSU goes back to being worthless as soon as - zounami MU - 2/18 22:28:59

they were pretty good with Turgeon before Marshall - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 23:05:49

I'd be thrilled if we got anyone on that list. (nm) - AndyTiger MU

- 2/18 21:04:48

The funny thing is - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/18 20:56:12

Cream will want too much, he's been to the top of the - MU-TULSA MU - 2/19 09:02:41

New information must be considered. That's why stocks - zounami MU - 2/18 21:05:43

RE: My top 16 list of HC candidates (updated)... - Chi-TownJ UI - 2/18 20:53:47

Missouri and Illinois are comparable jobs, so you must think - zounami MU - 2/18 21:04:24

RE: Missouri and Illinois are comparable jobs, so you must think - Chi-TownJ UI - 2/18 21:19:33

Are you talking about Northwestern and their proximity to - zounami MU - 2/18 21:23:21

RE: Are you talking about Northwestern and their proximity to - Chi-TownJ UI - 2/18 21:27:18

Hmmm. Missouri has a couple population centers as well, and - zounami MU - 2/18 21:28:17

illinois is a better job, just not a way better job - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:31:33

To head coaches, Missouri and Illinois are the same... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:33:40

What BS to deal with? - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:43:28

We'll have to agree to disagree. If I were a head coach... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:57:09

Okay, Just wondered what the BS would be. (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:05:08

Unrealisitically high expectations and resulting - zounami MU - 2/18 22:09:34

RE: Unrealisitically high expectations and resulting - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:20:01

Both are a good coaching hire from being - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:38:59

Arkansas is NOT a better job. It's comparable to - zounami MU - 2/18 21:45:33

No way. I'd currently put MU above... - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:48:41

What do you mean "above"? As a program, MU is 4th... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:59:34

Depends on what metrics for evaluating programs* - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:06:43

Well, if you base it on number of NCAA tournament - zounami MU - 2/18 22:13:25

That's all time? - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:22:45

Yes, all-time. Historically, Missouri is a top 35 *program* - zounami MU - 2/18 22:27:30

Don't get how MU job is 25 but program 35 - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:32:10

Winning tradition, excellent recruiting base, only P5 school - zounami MU - 2/18 22:42:48

I think most of that is entirely subjective based on - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:50:17

Easy to rack up wins for a D-1 coach. One of Missouri's - zounami MU - 2/18 23:01:08

I wouldn't say that about the BT. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:45:29

I would rank Michigan way lower - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:49:34

Title game in 2013, Elite 8 in 2014 - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:56:05

I'm not using current results in ranking the jobs - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 22:18:55

Okay. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 22:33:33

Yea I was comparing jobs - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 23:02:12

It's unclear whether he's rankings teams, programs, or - zounami MU - 2/18 21:48:05

Good point(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:48:56

RE: My top 16 list of HC candidates (updated)... - Tigerfem MU - 2/18 20:51:02

Howland is an excellent fallback option... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:01:47

I'm not buying Cronin. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:38:15

Would be a great hire for either Mizzou or Illinois I think - mizzoudiehard MU - 2/18 21:55:33

Has never finished higher than 4th? His last 3 finishes were - zounami MU - 2/18 20:44:38

wheeler doesn't like truth(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 2/18 21:05:07

and here are Cronin's Kenpom rankings the past 7 seasons... - zounami MU - 2/18 20:49:17

Doesn't move the needle for me considering the last - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:51:15

What difference does conference make for Kenpom ranking? (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 20:53:41

Fewer games against Top 25 or Top 50 teams. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:55:25

Kenpom factors that in, SoS, etc... I guess it boils down to - zounami MU - 2/18 20:58:36

What was their KenPOM SOS ratings last year? - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:04:32

Rankings have them 18 as of today - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:00:52

Look at who they've played in last 10 games - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:12:29

Two top 20 opponents in their last 10 games, one of which - zounami MU - 2/18 21:13:50

275, 20, 112, 111, 119, 275, 14, 264, 94, 224 - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:15:27

NCAA tournament bound for a 7th straight season. That's - zounami MU - 2/18 21:02:44

I don't think Cronin is anything special. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:13:54

Well, he's # 3 on my list. I'll be pumped if we hire him. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 21:14:54

Again, not saying he's bad, but that MU can do better(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:15:46

He would be way better than the last 2 coaches - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:05:25

That is a really low bar(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:14:25

Now that I agree with. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/18 21:15:08

TJ must consider the MVC conference to be a buzzsaw... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:09:55

I'm not alone in valuing Marshall. * - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:18:18

A lot of people consider Mick Cronin a hot commodity... - zounami MU - 2/18 21:22:00

Marshall has dominated that conference - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:13:22

KenPom adjusts for strength of schedule (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 20:58:08

I don't consider the AAC a real conference. - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:48:24

His last year in the (old) Big East, he finished .500 and - zounami MU - 2/18 20:50:58

I'm not arguing he's awful, but he's not worthy of 3rd - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 20:52:28

if he adapts his offense to the new rules - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 20:56:48

Is defense hard in the AAC? Meh(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/18 21:05:03

WSU had the best defense in the nation last year - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/18 21:06:52

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