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Ultimately Frank Haith was probably the biggest factor.

Posted on: October 31, 2016 at 15:12:25 CT

cefoo MU

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From what I've heard playing with Pressey was a big bonus for Alex but our hole at the center position, our style of play, and Frank's personality were all as big or bigger draws for Alex. That quote I posted proves that.

If Phil was here today and Kim was the coach, I can almost guarantee you that Alex would not have been a Tiger. Frank was very good at attracting transfers and selling them on Mizzou. He was much more responsible for attracting both Alex and Clarkson more than Phil.

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Sounds like similar problem as last year.... - GapDaddy MU - 10/31 10:51:56

Ok - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 16:13:24

If we can win just 15 games... - Shrine Devine MU

- 10/31 14:19:23

marcus foster(nm) - tmcats KSU - 10/31 13:46:57

Had a great day - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 13:50:42

He's probably a NBA talent.(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 10/31 13:56:39

if getting the boot and now straight at cu ... - tmcats KSU - 10/31 14:12:07

Ok - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 16:14:12

20-10 start for them translates to a 31-21 finish for us. - tiger4real MU - 10/31 11:45:13

2 possibilities.... - GapDaddy MU - 10/31 11:52:22

10 points is not a large deficit. - tiger4real MU - 10/31 11:55:57

So I take it you're encouraged by the scrimmage? - GapDaddy MU - 10/31 12:09:17

Nobody is encouraged by the scrimmage in the sense - alwaysright MU - 10/31 12:24:30

The lowered expectations are the problem - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:32:11

RE: The lowered expectations are the problem - stl0404 MU - 10/31 16:42:14

Yes. No. (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:43:34

RE: The lowered expectations are the problem - StlWeir MU - 10/31 14:25:57

Jordan Clarkson knew Phil Pressey from elementary school. - cefoo MU - 10/31 14:55:37

Frank was declining. Kim, under your scenario, will be - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:35:05

From a starting point of 30 wins and a #2 seed - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:39:13

He was lucky to win 23 against a weak SoS and - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:43:04

Not sure that is accurate - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:45:19

SoS was 68 Mid pack in the bad SEC. By comparison - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:54:55

As I've said many times on here, SOS does not measure - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:55:59

When you use RPI SoS, you are right. When you use - alwaysright MU - 10/31 18:29:35

KenPom efficiency ranked dropped from top 30 - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:49:08

Haith didn't have a first recruiting class, and his second - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:52:30

RE: Haith didn't have a first recruiting class, and his second - stl0404 MU - 10/31 21:17:20

No. Nevin Shapiro. Haith is not 'my boy' (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 11/1 08:45:01

Earnest Ross and Keion Bell were a recruiting class (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 16:59:41

They weren't there in year 4, because Haith inherited a - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 17:04:00

Haith chose not to bring in players - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:17:19

Agree, those people don't seem to understand college bb(nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 20:03:06

Some people demonstrate that time and time again (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 20:18:15

Haith inherited a great team, but a weak overall situation - alwaysright MU - 10/31 18:41:49

RE: Haith didn't have a lot of choice, he was left with 5 - 77TIGER MU - 10/31 17:24:29

Again, he could have chosen - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:35:16

RE: Don't forget, Alden made Haith kick off Price, a big tim - 77TIGER MU - 10/31 17:27:41

Price was a big time post player? - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:36:04

RE: Price was a big time post player? - 77TIGER MU - 10/31 18:14:38

His career stats are worse than Rosburgs - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 18:19:01

RE: Wow, you're so smart. He was a highly rated - 77TIGER MU - 10/31 23:31:36

One full second! (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:37:08

Price, a big time post player? (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:36:03

Why give Haith excuses and not KA - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:09:32

For me it's more about trajectory if the program - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 15:04:02

Trajectory is easily manipulated by a couple of terrible - cefoo MU - 10/31 15:19:35

50%? There is no way it is that high. Nor have we actually - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:16:35

I'm not sure Mizzou gets to 16-17 wins this year - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 15:29:24

What Norm left Quin gets dramatically overrated by - alwaysright MU - 10/31 12:52:08

But when you look past the first year, Frank inherited - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 13:02:54

It was bad. And Frank did not fix it. He put - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:22:10

Not true because Pressey got him AO and Clarkson.(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 10/31 13:13:42

Haith contributed to that. - sharpwp UNC - 10/31 17:28:39

that's funny because it seems like almost every thread - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 18:20:55

He did? So Haith had nothing to do with getting those - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 13:22:21

If Pressey would have transferred AO wouldn't have showed - Uncle John MU

- 10/31 15:25:04

If Kim Anderson was coaching and Phil Pressey was here - cefoo MU - 10/31 15:33:30

Probably false. AO was going to play with Pressey - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:23:07

The interesting thing about KAs system the last 2 years - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 15:36:41

Oriakhi was a McDonald's All American - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:24:06

By most accounts - haeffb MU - 10/31 16:35:50

Before anyone saw him coach, that was prior to - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:41:04

Bryant did not commit to Indiana until after Kim had - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:44:37

but he visited us in early Oct 2014 - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:47:01

Thomas Bryant didn't eliminate Mizzou - haeffb MU - 10/31 16:56:56

That would have been absolutely insane for him to select - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 17:05:52

Right so if a senior center was added to - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:28:25

Not sure I agree. You could add 1991 Shaq this year and - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:31:05

Never said anything about the NCAA or NIT - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:44:58

Huge numbers? - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:48:51

So you think AO and Rosburg are equally - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:52:17

No I think Kim will never have a center equivalent to either - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:54:48

Sure KA has shown no ability to get someone as good as AO - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:06:36

Reed Nikko is equivalent to Rosburg. (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:01:51

I don't expect that to be the case, but I've not seen him - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 17:06:45

Nikko is a little more athletic - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:11:15

Nikko already has better hands - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:19:35

both are guys that are best in a reserve role - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:39:51

I'd agree, except - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:48:08

lunacy - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:38:51

Wrong, as usual. He came here because of Phil and the void - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 14:34:37

Phil did play a pretty big part in getting him to Mizzou. - cefoo MU - 10/31 14:59:55

Of course the head coach has a hand in getting any player - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 15:03:52

Ultimately Frank Haith was probably the biggest factor. - cefoo MU - 10/31 15:12:25

lol(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 10/31 15:29:43

lol there was no biggest factor - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 15:16:36

At the end of the day Haith was responsible for getting - cefoo MU - 10/31 15:26:59

Sure Cefoo whatever makes you happy, crazy legs wannabe(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 11/1 08:37:32

RE: He did? So Haith had nothing to do with getting those - StlWeir MU - 10/31 14:28:23

Same kind of deal in how Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 13:31:18

how did all of those guys do in year 4? - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:42:32

22 wins, 23 wins, coached elsewhere (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:47:57

all had reached their high point - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:53:48

I'm certainly not discouraged. - tiger4real MU - 10/31 12:20:29

for last years team, 10 points was huge(nm) - ajpe53 MU

- 10/31 11:58:01

Apparently that's not the case for this year's team. - tiger4real MU - 10/31 12:00:10

and hopefully that would carry to the real season(nm) - ajpe53 MU

- 10/31 12:00:41

Mizzou also played without 2 starters - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 11:00:52

you think reducing Hughes minutes would have made - tigerdb MU - 10/31 12:12:29

Why reduce Hughes minutes? - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 16:16:27

crudupball is 7v5? - tigerdb MU - 10/31 16:21:28

Untrue. But even if Hughes comes off bench he can get - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 16:22:34

Dixon had starters minutes - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:26:32

That is also a different scenario that what is being - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:28:24

Wrong. Barnett should get plenty minutes at PF - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 17:05:10

He will. And he'll get minutes at the 3. And Walton will - alwaysright MU - 10/31 18:37:56

Hughes will also be the #3 PG - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 19:35:13

Nope. At this point, CVL is #3 PG - haeffb MU - 10/31 20:12:08

Wrong - Mr. Orange SU - 11/1 05:59:18

Shlt. right now CVL is #2 PG until Geist is healthy. Then - alwaysright MU - 11/1 06:48:46

Early part of the season Geist is hurt and Barnett - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 19:02:01

That may work out, but a fundamental fact still remains. - alwaysright MU - 11/1 06:54:41

Fewer minutes can be a good thing - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 07:11:36

It can. Have not argued otherwise. My point here was never - alwaysright MU - 11/1 15:46:40

Depends, Barnett is the same size as Puryear - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:30:53

Hughes played really well - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:29:59

agreed - but you can't play 7 - tigerdb MU - 10/31 12:32:56

Only Phillips and Puryear are likely - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:44:05

TP needs to be in position to play 30-35 minutes. - alwaysright MU - 10/31 12:53:30

RE: TP & KP need to play 30-35 minutes. - tigerdb MU - 10/31 13:11:36

IN theory yet, but it is harder for big guys to - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:24:47

Walton and Barnett playing would not have simply r - alwaysright MU - 10/31 12:28:38

I think our end of the bench guys must have played too - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 12:37:45

I'm not sure that is realistic to expect - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 10:58:23

From what I've read about Friday and others who have - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 12:05:19

We are going to have to scheme points, because we likely - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:09:31

forcing Phillips into early foul trouble - Rabbit Test MU - 10/31 12:22:37

Right. But we may catch some bad coaches asleep like - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:28:39

South Carolna was odd - Rabbit Test MU - 10/31 12:30:13

They equalize against more talented teams - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:33:15

From the sounds of it they are going to crack down on - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 12:12:44

KJ was elite last year at the rate he drew fouls - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:23:23

That is exactly what I was going to say. That was the - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:16:04

That's not encouraging. - GapDaddy MU - 10/31 12:11:49

That was his reputation before coming to Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:19:14

RE: That was his reputation before coming to Mizzou - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:22:57

Maybe that is what we brought in Dildy for? (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:14:41

Welp Staley done read it, no reason to watch this year!(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 12:07:13

Can we not have a discussion without KA'ers derailing it? - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 12:10:26

There's no point in posting why we disagree with you - nerdmachine KC - 10/31 15:05:02

There is no such thing as a KA'er, there are Mizzou fans - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 12:23:55

RE: I'm not sure that is realistic to expect - TrueSonKC MU - 10/31 11:25:42

Thanks I think (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 11:26:31

"One of the youngest teams in College Basketball" - Rabbit Test MU - 10/31 11:01:37

RE: "One of the youngest teams in College Basketball" - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 11:02:55

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