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Posted on: October 31, 2016 at 12:52:08 CT

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most MU fans, but it was still infinitely better than what Frank left behind. Hell, Dooling alone is better than the entire program that Frank left.

Lyons, Lawrence, Grimes, and to a degree Horton and Brown are better than Wes Clark and JWilliams as returning players. Gant and Wright were clear misses in recruiting.

And as much as I did not like Mike, he left a team ready to win. Mike probably left the best combination of 6 players that any first year coach has ever inherited....before Bowers got hurt.

Kim inherited 3 upperclassmen & they did squat.
Frank inherited 7 upper classmen who could play...again Bowers.
Mike inherited 4 upperclassmen that were certainly marginal, but 2 sophomores that became legit players.

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Sounds like similar problem as last year.... - GapDaddy MU - 10/31 10:51:56

Ok - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 16:13:24

If we can win just 15 games... - Shrine Devine MU

- 10/31 14:19:23

marcus foster(nm) - tmcats KSU - 10/31 13:46:57

Had a great day - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 13:50:42

He's probably a NBA talent.(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 10/31 13:56:39

if getting the boot and now straight at cu ... - tmcats KSU - 10/31 14:12:07

Ok - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 16:14:12

20-10 start for them translates to a 31-21 finish for us. - tiger4real MU - 10/31 11:45:13

2 possibilities.... - GapDaddy MU - 10/31 11:52:22

10 points is not a large deficit. - tiger4real MU - 10/31 11:55:57

So I take it you're encouraged by the scrimmage? - GapDaddy MU - 10/31 12:09:17

Nobody is encouraged by the scrimmage in the sense - alwaysright MU - 10/31 12:24:30

The lowered expectations are the problem - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:32:11

RE: The lowered expectations are the problem - stl0404 MU - 10/31 16:42:14

Yes. No. (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:43:34

RE: The lowered expectations are the problem - StlWeir MU - 10/31 14:25:57

Jordan Clarkson knew Phil Pressey from elementary school. - cefoo MU - 10/31 14:55:37

Frank was declining. Kim, under your scenario, will be - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:35:05

From a starting point of 30 wins and a #2 seed - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:39:13

He was lucky to win 23 against a weak SoS and - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:43:04

Not sure that is accurate - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:45:19

SoS was 68 Mid pack in the bad SEC. By comparison - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:54:55

As I've said many times on here, SOS does not measure - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:55:59

When you use RPI SoS, you are right. When you use - alwaysright MU - 10/31 18:29:35

KenPom efficiency ranked dropped from top 30 - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:49:08

Haith didn't have a first recruiting class, and his second - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:52:30

RE: Haith didn't have a first recruiting class, and his second - stl0404 MU - 10/31 21:17:20

No. Nevin Shapiro. Haith is not 'my boy' (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 11/1 08:45:01

Earnest Ross and Keion Bell were a recruiting class (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 16:59:41

They weren't there in year 4, because Haith inherited a - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 17:04:00

Haith chose not to bring in players - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:17:19

Agree, those people don't seem to understand college bb(nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 20:03:06

Some people demonstrate that time and time again (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 20:18:15

Haith inherited a great team, but a weak overall situation - alwaysright MU - 10/31 18:41:49

RE: Haith didn't have a lot of choice, he was left with 5 - 77TIGER MU - 10/31 17:24:29

Again, he could have chosen - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:35:16

RE: Don't forget, Alden made Haith kick off Price, a big tim - 77TIGER MU - 10/31 17:27:41

Price was a big time post player? - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:36:04

RE: Price was a big time post player? - 77TIGER MU - 10/31 18:14:38

His career stats are worse than Rosburgs - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 18:19:01

RE: Wow, you're so smart. He was a highly rated - 77TIGER MU - 10/31 23:31:36

One full second! (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:37:08

Price, a big time post player? (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:36:03

Why give Haith excuses and not KA - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:09:32

For me it's more about trajectory if the program - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 15:04:02

Trajectory is easily manipulated by a couple of terrible - cefoo MU - 10/31 15:19:35

50%? There is no way it is that high. Nor have we actually - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:16:35

I'm not sure Mizzou gets to 16-17 wins this year - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 15:29:24

What Norm left Quin gets dramatically overrated by - alwaysright MU - 10/31 12:52:08

But when you look past the first year, Frank inherited - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 13:02:54

It was bad. And Frank did not fix it. He put - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:22:10

Not true because Pressey got him AO and Clarkson.(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 10/31 13:13:42

Haith contributed to that. - sharpwp UNC - 10/31 17:28:39

that's funny because it seems like almost every thread - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 18:20:55

He did? So Haith had nothing to do with getting those - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 13:22:21

If Pressey would have transferred AO wouldn't have showed - Uncle John MU

- 10/31 15:25:04

If Kim Anderson was coaching and Phil Pressey was here - cefoo MU - 10/31 15:33:30

Probably false. AO was going to play with Pressey - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:23:07

The interesting thing about KAs system the last 2 years - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 15:36:41

Oriakhi was a McDonald's All American - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:24:06

By most accounts - haeffb MU - 10/31 16:35:50

Before anyone saw him coach, that was prior to - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:41:04

Bryant did not commit to Indiana until after Kim had - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:44:37

but he visited us in early Oct 2014 - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:47:01

Thomas Bryant didn't eliminate Mizzou - haeffb MU - 10/31 16:56:56

That would have been absolutely insane for him to select - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 17:05:52

Right so if a senior center was added to - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:28:25

Not sure I agree. You could add 1991 Shaq this year and - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:31:05

Never said anything about the NCAA or NIT - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:44:58

Huge numbers? - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:48:51

So you think AO and Rosburg are equally - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:52:17

No I think Kim will never have a center equivalent to either - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 16:54:48

Sure KA has shown no ability to get someone as good as AO - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:06:36

Reed Nikko is equivalent to Rosburg. (nm) - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:01:51

I don't expect that to be the case, but I've not seen him - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 17:06:45

Nikko is a little more athletic - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:11:15

Nikko already has better hands - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:19:35

both are guys that are best in a reserve role - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 17:39:51

I'd agree, except - haeffb MU - 10/31 17:48:08

lunacy - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:38:51

Wrong, as usual. He came here because of Phil and the void - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 14:34:37

Phil did play a pretty big part in getting him to Mizzou. - cefoo MU - 10/31 14:59:55

Of course the head coach has a hand in getting any player - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 15:03:52

Ultimately Frank Haith was probably the biggest factor. - cefoo MU - 10/31 15:12:25

lol(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 10/31 15:29:43

lol there was no biggest factor - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 15:16:36

At the end of the day Haith was responsible for getting - cefoo MU - 10/31 15:26:59

Sure Cefoo whatever makes you happy, crazy legs wannabe(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 11/1 08:37:32

RE: He did? So Haith had nothing to do with getting those - StlWeir MU - 10/31 14:28:23

Same kind of deal in how Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 13:31:18

how did all of those guys do in year 4? - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:42:32

22 wins, 23 wins, coached elsewhere (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:47:57

all had reached their high point - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:53:48

I'm certainly not discouraged. - tiger4real MU - 10/31 12:20:29

for last years team, 10 points was huge(nm) - ajpe53 MU

- 10/31 11:58:01

Apparently that's not the case for this year's team. - tiger4real MU - 10/31 12:00:10

and hopefully that would carry to the real season(nm) - ajpe53 MU

- 10/31 12:00:41

Mizzou also played without 2 starters - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 11:00:52

you think reducing Hughes minutes would have made - tigerdb MU - 10/31 12:12:29

Why reduce Hughes minutes? - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 16:16:27

crudupball is 7v5? - tigerdb MU - 10/31 16:21:28

Untrue. But even if Hughes comes off bench he can get - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 16:22:34

Dixon had starters minutes - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:26:32

That is also a different scenario that what is being - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:28:24

Wrong. Barnett should get plenty minutes at PF - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 17:05:10

He will. And he'll get minutes at the 3. And Walton will - alwaysright MU - 10/31 18:37:56

Hughes will also be the #3 PG - Mr. Orange SU - 10/31 19:35:13

Nope. At this point, CVL is #3 PG - haeffb MU - 10/31 20:12:08

Wrong - Mr. Orange SU - 11/1 05:59:18

Shlt. right now CVL is #2 PG until Geist is healthy. Then - alwaysright MU - 11/1 06:48:46

Early part of the season Geist is hurt and Barnett - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 19:02:01

That may work out, but a fundamental fact still remains. - alwaysright MU - 11/1 06:54:41

Fewer minutes can be a good thing - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 07:11:36

It can. Have not argued otherwise. My point here was never - alwaysright MU - 11/1 15:46:40

Depends, Barnett is the same size as Puryear - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 16:30:53

Hughes played really well - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:29:59

agreed - but you can't play 7 - tigerdb MU - 10/31 12:32:56

Only Phillips and Puryear are likely - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:44:05

TP needs to be in position to play 30-35 minutes. - alwaysright MU - 10/31 12:53:30

RE: TP & KP need to play 30-35 minutes. - tigerdb MU - 10/31 13:11:36

IN theory yet, but it is harder for big guys to - alwaysright MU - 10/31 16:24:47

Walton and Barnett playing would not have simply r - alwaysright MU - 10/31 12:28:38

I think our end of the bench guys must have played too - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 12:37:45

I'm not sure that is realistic to expect - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 10:58:23

From what I've read about Friday and others who have - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 12:05:19

We are going to have to scheme points, because we likely - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:09:31

forcing Phillips into early foul trouble - Rabbit Test MU - 10/31 12:22:37

Right. But we may catch some bad coaches asleep like - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:28:39

South Carolna was odd - Rabbit Test MU - 10/31 12:30:13

They equalize against more talented teams - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:33:15

From the sounds of it they are going to crack down on - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 12:12:44

KJ was elite last year at the rate he drew fouls - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:23:23

That is exactly what I was going to say. That was the - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:16:04

That's not encouraging. - GapDaddy MU - 10/31 12:11:49

That was his reputation before coming to Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 12:19:14

RE: That was his reputation before coming to Mizzou - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:22:57

Maybe that is what we brought in Dildy for? (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 12:14:41

Welp Staley done read it, no reason to watch this year!(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 12:07:13

Can we not have a discussion without KA'ers derailing it? - StaleyTiger MU - 10/31 12:10:26

There's no point in posting why we disagree with you - nerdmachine KC - 10/31 15:05:02

There is no such thing as a KA'er, there are Mizzou fans - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/31 12:23:55

RE: I'm not sure that is realistic to expect - TrueSonKC MU - 10/31 11:25:42

Thanks I think (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 11:26:31

"One of the youngest teams in College Basketball" - Rabbit Test MU - 10/31 11:01:37

RE: "One of the youngest teams in College Basketball" - FIJItiger MU

- 10/31 11:02:55

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