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Posted on: September 13, 2024 at 12:16:08 CT
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heading from 1999-2000, Norm was losing White regardless, he was going to lose Dooling who did not like Norm, was quite likely to lose Gilbert following his best friend out the door, and was NOT going to get Rush. Rush was not on the team in 1999 and publicly stated he was not going to play for Norm. We only got Rush after Quin was hired.

If Norm had a few more good years in him, where the hell were they in 96, 97, & 98? Why did his best Big 12 finish happen in the single weakest year in Big 12 basketball history and then he got upset by plss poor kstate in the first Big 12 Tourney game? If Norm had been MU's coach in 2000, that season would have been a disaster. I'm not anti Hafer or Grawer in any way, but you sure as hell don't want those two as your best players that you're relying on every possession.

Quin was universally regarded as a great hire. Not just by Mizzou fans but every pundit out there. He needed some time to learn on the job but the big problem was Alden. Gave him ZERO guidance early and then micromanaged him to death after a couple of NCAA peeks. Quin's early recruiting was better than anything Norm had done in years and was better than anything Norm had done in 20 years without the violations in Detroit.

Anderson was not a great hire. He was an emotional hire made by a racially charged BoC and AD fighting for his career who came from a system that systematically underachieved. Yeah, he was a guy with the system that could keep you relevant, but it did not achieve top tier success unless everything broke just perfectly. Had he stayed at Mizzou, Mizzou fans would despise him more than they already do. He had peaked and was sliding. Which was proven by his lack of success at Arkansas where he had all the support he wanted.

Haith was a failed, panic hire. You are correct here. he was not a good coach, he failed at every job he had aside from a brief window at Mizzou and he left because he couldn't trick Alden into extending him before the wheels fell off...which Haith knew was about to happen.

Kim was a BS hire but a dying AD who just said FU to everything Mizzou.

Cuonzo was an uninformed hire. Some people saw the few sparkles of glitter, but some saw the deeper issues. Everything I said about him starting in 2011 when many MU fans began campaigning for him, proved to be true.

Gates is actually the most logical hire since Quin. I'm not sure how it will play out and he was not on my list, but after researching him, he has a better shot at success than MA, FH, KA, or CM.


This whole debate plsses me off in two ways.

1. Mizzou has basically sucked for 30 years.
2. I do not actually like being put into the position of dogging Norm. But I know I'm right when I'm the guy who defends Norm to outsiders and has to be the guy to introduce a little reality to Mizzou fans. The truth, as always, lies in the middle.
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Hard to believe we’ve had 30 years of mostly ass - TigerMatt MISS - 9/12 23:55:38
     In today's world, you have to pay if you want good - Tiger_1995 MU - 9/15 14:31:52
     Yep, sounds like Mizzou football in the 80s and 90s. That's - BigWally MU - 9/15 12:10:31
          The problem with our football team in the 80's started - XRob MU - 9/15 21:44:04
     Simple concept. Make better hires. Did it with Pinkel - Diamond Dave MU - 9/14 09:48:27
     Frank Haith was the death penalty (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/14 08:08:59
          And yet, Haith is the only coach of the last decade - Yosa125 TAMU - 9/14 13:49:45
               Attributing MU bb demise in any significant way to Haith - FIJItiger MU - 9/14 20:10:50
                    Keep saying it and you will eventually believe it but our AD - TigerFan92 STL - 9/15 07:36:11
                         Alden’s job was in danger when he hired Mike Anderson, not - alwaysright MU - 9/16 17:21:24
                              True but he should have been fired the day he hired - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/17 14:57:00
                                   RE: True but he should have been fired the day he hired - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 15:46:03
                                        Bill Self: Last 4 years before MO interview - 81-38 = .680. - Lovely Rita UW - 9/18 11:16:07
                                             Career to that point - FIJItiger MU - 9/18 12:08:17
                                                  Because the most recent years are obviously the most - Lovely Rita UW - 9/18 12:31:47
                                                       Selfs first good season was after MU hired Quin - FIJItiger MU - 9/18 14:52:43
                                                            Ignore the pre-Quinn rebuilds at ORU and Tulsa? - Lovely Rita UW - 9/18 15:22:20
                                                                 Huge mistake by Alden right there that led to MU's - MUTGR MU - 9/18 20:51:47
                                                                 Disagree, it’s still not obvious. He is almost certainly - FIJItiger MU - 9/18 15:34:34
                                                                      Be sure to mention that to the Hall of Fame. - Lovely Rita UW - 9/18 16:11:22
                                                                           RE: Be sure to mention that to the Hall of Fame. - FIJItiger MU - 9/18 16:37:35
                                        Frank had proven he couldn’t win at the major level. Bill - alwaysright MU - 9/17 16:02:23
                                             I see. So the fact Haith had equivalent success at the - FIJItiger MU - 9/18 06:30:47
                                                  He didn’t have success at Miami. And once he lost the - alwaysright MU - 9/18 06:50:31
                                                       RE: He didn’t have success at Miami. And once he lost the - FIJItiger MU - 9/18 07:32:50
                                                            He couldn’t coach talent when he had it - alwaysright MU - 9/18 11:41:24
                                                                 That is weird he won 30 games and was recognized as NCOY(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/18 12:09:40
                                                                 He showed his first season at Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/18 11:56:11
                                                       If he hadn’t been prevented from recruiting after 2012 and - FIJItiger MU - 9/18 07:12:22
                         Check out these types of posts - FIJItiger MU - 9/15 13:10:13
                         You have a gift - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/15 10:56:32
                    Agree - Genco98 MU - 9/15 07:11:30
               Put himself and the program on probation to where misfits - TigerFan92 STL - 9/14 15:14:59
                    Pretty sure we could have hired someone other - Newcatbirdseat MU - 9/14 15:52:04
                         KA was a placeholder through probation - TigerFan92 STL - 9/15 07:37:57
     Sure, if you take out all the good years - Gavin Citrus MU - 9/14 07:33:10
     Multiple athletic directors have given fans what they want - alstl MU - 9/13 21:36:28
          There's only one AD responsible for the **** show our - XRob MU - 9/13 21:58:10
               Gates took Cleveland State to the NIT but he is EXCITING!!!(nm) - alstl MU - 9/14 10:27:02
                    I'm inclined to give Gates a pass on last year - XRob MU - 9/16 11:37:32
                         I wouldn’t call it a pass - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 12:03:12
                    Also the NCAAT (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/15 16:58:04
                         Not the year we hired him(nm) - alstl MU - 9/15 17:17:34
                              Conference champs both years (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/15 18:00:20
                                   Nobody conference - confirming my point. Multiple AD have - alstl MU - 9/15 21:40:44
                                        I could see you not liking a coach with multiple - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/15 21:51:39
                                             Won the conference but didn't make the NCAA tournament?(nm) - alstl MU - 9/16 08:51:38
                                                  Maybe you don’t understand how the NCAA - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 10:16:05
                                                       Multiple athletic directors have given fans what they want - alstl MU - 9/16 14:31:40
               MA quit after being forced to hire KA (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/13 22:51:32
                    He embarrassed himself with the Painter fiasco nm - pinkman MU - 9/13 23:31:31
                         RE: He embarrassed himself with the Painter fiasco nm - XRob MU - 9/14 07:39:19
                              Need better players. Coaching overrated - cybertyger MU - 9/15 06:12:52
                                   I think coaching is important - Genco98 MU - 9/16 08:55:36
                                   1 great player won’t make you a top 10 team. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/15 09:19:01
                                        Add Chris Weber and see what happens. - cybertyger MU - 9/15 11:41:29
                                             (Webber) Part of the ‘Fab Five’ - one of the greatest - Lovely Rita UW - 9/16 07:57:51
                                             Weber played on a team full of hall of famers - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/15 16:57:34
     KIM ANDERSON TAUGHT CRISP GOLL DURN CHEST PASSES!!!1 - Mothball MU - 9/13 15:48:50
     MU gave up on mens bb in 2014. It might someday - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:20:26
          You say this all the time and you are wrong - DevilsAdvocate KC - 9/13 14:23:56
               Of course. One of many idiotic beliefs he clings to (nm) - hou4mu MU - 9/13 20:12:00
               Well from 2014 to current I’ve been correct - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:26:34
                    you are wrong all the time. You know spreadsheets - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/13 14:38:07
                         I both hope and wish that was occasionally the case - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:44:16
     Norm had a few more good years left in him - MUHoopster MU - 9/13 11:18:55
          Anderson had one great team but he wasn't a great fit - MUTGR MU - 9/18 08:39:11
               He should have stayed (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/18 17:17:38
          It is not easy(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 9/13 14:21:16
          ehhh....... - alwaysright MU - 9/13 12:16:08
     RE: Hard to believe we’ve had 30 years of mostly ass - Ragarm MU - 9/13 10:55:45
     reality - alwaysright MU - 9/13 10:10:57
     Move to the SEC helped drowned the program. Nm - ClassicTiger MU - 9/13 08:22:19
          I don't think it was the move to the SEC. We weren't - tgr MU - 9/13 08:39:18
               Where would we be if Alden had hired Self instead of Quin? n - pinkman MU - 9/13 11:49:52
                    Slightly worse, but not as significantly worse because he - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:27:49
                    Nowhere - Wildcat KSU - 9/13 14:06:33
                    Hard to know for sure but we do know that Alden - alwaysright MU - 9/13 11:56:21
               SEC has had no impact at all. It's all on the - alwaysright MU - 9/13 10:11:49
     Yep(nm) - Erwin Fletcher STL - 9/13 08:14:37
     Been extremely inconsistent (nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 9/13 07:43:14
          it's seems consistent just not in the way we want it(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/13 09:46:42
     I said it then and I’ll say it now. Norm did a lot of great - alwaysright MU - 9/13 07:28:38
          funny he was only 64 when he "retired" seemed - TigerA MU - 9/13 09:54:46
               And yet he's still going nm - pinkman MU - 9/13 23:50:10
          So did the Administration(nm) - WrightWing MU - 9/13 09:07:13
          Norm was the first coach I saw at Mizzou - mu7176grad MU - 9/13 09:03:19
          Blame the only guy who won consistently at BBall here and - MUTGR MU - 9/13 08:38:14
               Alden was not good for basketball, but blaming it on - alwaysright MU - 9/13 09:57:17
                    Snyder wasn't a great fit at Mizzou at the time and wasn't - MUTGR MU - 9/13 12:31:03
                         Like I said several times, if Mike Alden had given - alwaysright MU - 9/13 12:39:11
                              Well Alden passed on another soon to be great coach in - MUTGR MU - 9/13 16:25:48
                                   Alden would’ve hamstrung Self - alwaysright MU - 9/13 19:24:46
                                        Sure it is. He had a choice to make at the time and he - MUTGR MU - 9/13 19:40:48
                                             Self wouldn’t be who you think he is at Mizzou under - alwaysright MU - 9/13 22:05:04
                              Agreed 100%(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 9/13 14:20:24
          Norm kept the entire athletic program afloat for 25 years. - ClassicTiger MU - 9/13 08:25:20
               Schools are now able to turn programs around in a couple - Tiger_1995 MU - 9/13 09:26:19
          Agreed. (nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 9/13 07:43:37
               I felt the 2011-12 team - semotiger83 MU - 9/13 07:59:28
                    That team only played 6 players. The 08-09 team was the…… - ClassicTiger MU - 9/13 08:20:40
                         7. Steve Moore was a crucial contributor (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:31:57
                         RE: That team only played 6 players. The 08-09 team was the…… - semotiger83 MU - 9/13 10:13:43
                              Yes they were great. But zero depth. Foul trouble was fatal. - ClassicTiger MU - 9/13 14:02:18
                                   Minor injuries to English and Denmon - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/13 17:20:19




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