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who pays the tariffs?

Posted on: March 26, 2021 at 16:05:27 CT

DesertTiger MU

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Do you have numbers that show the cost burden to the average tax payer? Again, if you have specifics that show those details I'd be willing to re-analyze my thinking...although from an individual perspective it may cost me more for goods but I wouldn't call that a 'tax hike' just from a semantic perspective.

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Never doubt dems lust for taxes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:20:22

You pay your bills bippy boy. You seem put out that - Floyd Turbo 99 - 3/26 14:44:42

Totally agree. keep the government off my public - KCMuskie MU - 3/26 14:33:15

The issue is simply settle for how many times and ways - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:43:35

it is not only the Dems - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:26:08

Then you should have no problem coming up with several - Spanky KU - 3/26 14:27:08

Tax revenue increased under Trump - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:28:22

Income increased under Trump due to tax cuts - Spanky KU - 3/26 14:29:12

No (nm) - pickle MU

- 3/26 15:18:01

Yes(nm) - Spanky KU - 3/26 16:57:10

taxes went up under him - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:30:09

tax rates went down, income went up - Spanky KU - 3/26 15:30:59

So higher taxes prevent growth of govt - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:32:15

higher taxes prevent growth of personal income(nm) - Spanky KU - 3/26 16:17:17

False - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:19:07

It grows more when tax rates are lower - Spanky KU - 3/26 16:31:34

Corporate earnings also grow regardless of tax rates - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:34:34

Earnings are not profit - Spanky KU - 3/26 17:54:14

You said "income" not profit - ashtray UF - 3/27 08:26:38

It actually can assuming you dont defect spend* - tman MU - 3/26 15:51:25

So why aren't Republicans trying to raise taxes? - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:55:36

hmmmm..you may be on to something - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:34:57

Tax revenue sent up. Tax rates went down(nm) - tman MU - 3/26 14:53:17

tariffs are a tax (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:06:39

Yep. Did the tariff rate increase impact you more the. - tman MU - 3/26 15:18:23

Yes. I buy a lot of imports (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:19:06

Are you an importer and exporter? - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:10:51

I just prefer quality products (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:11:56

I bet it went down on total for you. But ok(nm) - tman MU - 3/26 15:20:58

You would be wrong (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:21:26

It's the same thing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:56:20

I can use his logic. End of the day I had more money - tman MU - 3/26 15:16:16

So if you work to expand the economy so more - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:32:12

It is an increase in tax revenue - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:34:03

People keep more of their money when you lower - MUTGR MU - 3/26 14:51:47

Spending and taxes were at record highs under Trump - pickle MU

- 3/26 14:54:59

Tax revenue and spending. Overall rates went down - tman MU - 3/26 15:19:30

spending rates did not go down - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:23:02

Why does government NEED more money - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:54:29

Quit changing the arguments. Hey, do away with taxes and - MUTGR MU - 3/26 14:55:53

It is not changing the argument(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:56:45

So you consider the two to be one and the same? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:41:09

yes(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:41:58

Wow - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:44:20

Are you not paying more taxes - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:46:01

so you really cannot distinguish between individual tax - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 14:54:54

lol no (nm) - pickle MU

- 3/26 15:04:11

thanks for the valuable input - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:29:24

the average tax payment per person went UP - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:58:26

as a percentage of income? - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:01:13

taxes paid and tax rates - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:04:53

not as individuals given the same income level - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:10:46

Most people's income goes up YOY (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:11:39

OK...? - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:18:50

the last statement if false - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:21:32

my apologies....for the 1000th time - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:23:15

Clearly income level did not stay the same. - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:34:09

'It would appear' - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:40:15

I never talked about a "tax hike" - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:45:05

your claim was that - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:50:23

A tax hike is paying more in taxes - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:57:08

so, to be clear, - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:02:04

look at is on a mass basis - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:07:12

but that still doesn't make sense - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:16:24

Why are you so focused on tax rates - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:20:34

because tax rates are how our income taxes are - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:31:01

It isn't necessarily a lie - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:22:53

too many think income tax is the only tax we pay (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:48:03

Really? Who are those people? - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:54:26

tariffs are a tax - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:58:07

who pays the tariffs? - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:05:27

Who pays for corp taxes?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:07:55

The consumer does - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:07:20

no argument that new costs typically get - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:12:15

I don't have specific numbers - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:18:07

RE: no argument that new costs typically get - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:16:53

based on that article wouldn't 7 billion be more - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:22:21

And these are the people that claim to want smaller gov't - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:13:50

LOL, I'll take lower marginal income tax rates over higher - MUTGR MU - 3/26 16:17:48

smaller govt = bigger govt (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:14:38

Do you have statistics for that?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:59:06

tax revenue increase from 3.27 trillion to 3.71 trillion - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:03:40

wow - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:09:10

How does it not? - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:11:05

but that doesn't address the individual level - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:15:23

I never said everyone paid more taxes - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:19:41

If tax revenues go up, they didn't lower taxes enough - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:18:36

which sheep? - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:20:22

not a point of discussion in this thread... - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:19:53

That does not answer the question meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 15:07:32

How does it not answer the question? - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:09:55

You never fail to disappoint meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:53:59

Which scenario would you prefer? Paying 28% taxes on $100k - TigerMatt - 3/26 14:53:53

If we desire smaller government - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:55:58

That is a great discussion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:57:14

you do the same thing all the time - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:59:53

A tax increase is not the same as a tax decrease where - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 15:02:02

more tax revenue = more taxes - pickle MU

- 3/26 15:13:17

RE: Are you not paying more taxes - MUTGR MU - 3/26 14:53:25

You can't make it up - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:58:29

RE: You can't make it up - MUTGR MU - 3/26 15:03:41

No, he is saying most paid more - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 15:08:08

I don't have that exact stat - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:12:06

With that said...his run away spending - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:35:40

The subject change. nm. - MUTGR MU - 3/26 14:54:18

Just like the GOP is just like dems on the filibuster - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:28:03

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