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'It would appear'

Posted on: March 26, 2021 at 15:40:15 CT
DesertTiger MU
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in other words you continue to use conjecture to stake your claim.

Your original claim, as a reminder, was to use the increased overall tax revenues as an example of a republican tax hike.

Marginal tax rates were lowered at the individual level...yes, there were some in your case that might have paid more due to deductions changes...if you have studies or statistics that actually show details on how many people that affected and the resulting tax burdens I would be willing to listen and possibly re-evaluate my stance. Otherwise, I stick to my claim that you cannot take the overall tax revenue number and claim it as a tax hike when it can be explained easily by increased economic output and lower unemployment rates.
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Never doubt dems lust for taxes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:20:22
     You pay your bills bippy boy. You seem put out that - Floyd Turbo 99 - 3/26 14:44:42
     Totally agree. keep the government off my public - KCMuskie MU - 3/26 14:33:15
          The issue is simply settle for how many times and ways - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:43:35
     it is not only the Dems - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:26:08
          Then you should have no problem coming up with several - Spanky KU - 3/26 14:27:08
               Tax revenue increased under Trump - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:28:22
                    Income increased under Trump due to tax cuts - Spanky KU - 3/26 14:29:12
                         No (nm) - pickle MU - 3/26 15:18:01
                              Yes(nm) - Spanky KU - 3/26 16:57:10
                         taxes went up under him - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:30:09
                              tax rates went down, income went up - Spanky KU - 3/26 15:30:59
                                   So higher taxes prevent growth of govt - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:32:15
                                        higher taxes prevent growth of personal income(nm) - Spanky KU - 3/26 16:17:17
                                             False - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:19:07
                                                  It grows more when tax rates are lower - Spanky KU - 3/26 16:31:34
                                                       Corporate earnings also grow regardless of tax rates - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:34:34
                                                            Earnings are not profit - Spanky KU - 3/26 17:54:14
                                                                 You said "income" not profit - ashtray UF - 3/27 08:26:38
                                        It actually can assuming you dont defect spend* - tman MU - 3/26 15:51:25
                                             So why aren't Republicans trying to raise taxes? - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:55:36
                                        hmmmm..you may be on to something - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:34:57
                              Tax revenue sent up. Tax rates went down(nm) - tman MU - 3/26 14:53:17
                                   tariffs are a tax (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:06:39
                                        Yep. Did the tariff rate increase impact you more the. - tman MU - 3/26 15:18:23
                                             Yes. I buy a lot of imports (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:19:06
                                                  Are you an importer and exporter? - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:10:51
                                                       I just prefer quality products (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:11:56
                                                  I bet it went down on total for you. But ok(nm) - tman MU - 3/26 15:20:58
                                                       You would be wrong (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:21:26
                                   It's the same thing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:56:20
                                        I can use his logic. End of the day I had more money - tman MU - 3/26 15:16:16
                              So if you work to expand the economy so more - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:32:12
                                   It is an increase in tax revenue - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:34:03
                                        People keep more of their money when you lower - MUTGR MU - 3/26 14:51:47
                                             Spending and taxes were at record highs under Trump - pickle MU - 3/26 14:54:59
                                                  Tax revenue and spending. Overall rates went down - tman MU - 3/26 15:19:30
                                                       spending rates did not go down - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:23:02
                                             Why does government NEED more money - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:54:29
                                                  Quit changing the arguments. Hey, do away with taxes and - MUTGR MU - 3/26 14:55:53
                                                       It is not changing the argument(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:56:45
                                        So you consider the two to be one and the same? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:41:09
                                             yes(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:41:58
                                                  Wow - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:44:20
                                                       Are you not paying more taxes - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:46:01
                                                            so you really cannot distinguish between individual tax - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 14:54:54
                                                                 lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 3/26 15:04:11
                                                                      thanks for the valuable input - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:29:24
                                                                 the average tax payment per person went UP - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:58:26
                                                                      as a percentage of income? - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:01:13
                                                                           taxes paid and tax rates - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:04:53
                                                                                not as individuals given the same income level - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:10:46
                                                                                     Most people's income goes up YOY (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:11:39
                                                                                          OK...? - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:18:50
                                                                                               the last statement if false - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:21:32
                                                                                                    my apologies....for the 1000th time - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:23:15
                                                                                                         Clearly income level did not stay the same. - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:34:09
                                                                                                              'It would appear' - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:40:15
                                                                                                                   I never talked about a "tax hike" - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:45:05
                                                                                                                        your claim was that - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:50:23
                                                                                                                             A tax hike is paying more in taxes - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:57:08
                                                                                                                                  so, to be clear, - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:02:04
                                                                                                                                       look at is on a mass basis - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:07:12
                                                                                                                                            but that still doesn't make sense - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:16:24
                                                                                                                                                 Why are you so focused on tax rates - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:20:34
                                                                                                                                                      because tax rates are how our income taxes are - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:31:01
                                                                                                                                                      It isn't necessarily a lie - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:22:53
                                                                                                                        too many think income tax is the only tax we pay (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:48:03
                                                                                                                             Really? Who are those people? - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:54:26
                                                                                                                                  tariffs are a tax - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:58:07
                                                                                                                                       who pays the tariffs? - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:05:27
                                                                                                                                            Who pays for corp taxes?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:07:55
                                                                                                                                            The consumer does - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:07:20
                                                                                                                                                 no argument that new costs typically get - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:12:15
                                                                                                                                                      I don't have specific numbers - ashtray UF - 3/26 16:18:07
                                                                                                                                                      RE: no argument that new costs typically get - meatiger MU - 3/26 16:16:53
                                                                                                                                                           based on that article wouldn't 7 billion be more - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 16:22:21
                                                                                          And these are the people that claim to want smaller gov't - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:13:50
                                                                                               LOL, I'll take lower marginal income tax rates over higher - MUTGR MU - 3/26 16:17:48
                                                                                               smaller govt = bigger govt (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:14:38
                                                                      Do you have statistics for that?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:59:06
                                                                           tax revenue increase from 3.27 trillion to 3.71 trillion - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:03:40
                                                                                wow - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:09:10
                                                                                     How does it not? - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:11:05
                                                                                          but that doesn't address the individual level - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:15:23
                                                                                               I never said everyone paid more taxes - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:19:41
                                                                                               If tax revenues go up, they didn't lower taxes enough - ashtray UF - 3/26 15:18:36
                                                                                                    which sheep? - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:20:22
                                                                                                    not a point of discussion in this thread... - DesertTiger MU - 3/26 15:19:53
                                                                                That does not answer the question meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 15:07:32
                                                                                     How does it not answer the question? - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:09:55
                                                            You never fail to disappoint meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:53:59
                                                            Which scenario would you prefer? Paying 28% taxes on $100k - TigerMatt - 3/26 14:53:53
                                                                 If we desire smaller government - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:55:58
                                                                      That is a great discussion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:57:14
                                                                           you do the same thing all the time - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:59:53
                                                                                A tax increase is not the same as a tax decrease where - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 15:02:02
                                                                                     more tax revenue = more taxes - pickle MU - 3/26 15:13:17
                                                            RE: Are you not paying more taxes - MUTGR MU - 3/26 14:53:25
                                                                 You can't make it up - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:58:29
                                                                      RE: You can't make it up - MUTGR MU - 3/26 15:03:41
                                                                           No, he is saying most paid more - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 15:08:08
                                                                                I don't have that exact stat - meatiger MU - 3/26 15:12:06
                                        With that said...his run away spending - meatiger MU - 3/26 14:35:40
                                             The subject change. nm. - MUTGR MU - 3/26 14:54:18
               Just like the GOP is just like dems on the filibuster - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/26 14:28:03




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