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FIJI is confusing the terms 'standard' which is based

Posted on: July 28, 2016 at 13:44:25 CT
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on the past, and a 'goal' which based on the future. A goal should never be based on the past unless it is realistic and attainable. Otherwise, the head of the organization is setting himself up for failure. And let's remember that FIJI is not the head of the basketball program and would not suffer the consequences of a failure to win 24 games next year. The actual head of the program, Kim Anderson, is not stupid enough to set the bar that high quite yet. On the other hand, a positive thing that FIJI has brought up , is that the goal for next year should not be set too low, such as less than 15 wins. I agree with him on that point. One last comment. Every goal needs to have a defined strategy that will lead to its accomplishment. Otherwise, there is no way to reach the goal. You can't set a goal of 24 games and just wing it. No action plan = unobtainable goal.
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Hey Fiji, how many wins will it take this year - Nazfan MU - 7/28 10:08:36
     Feefee reminds me of keke. The guy everyone loves - Mr. Orange SU - 7/28 15:58:58
     24 wins, top 5 in SEC, 9 seed or higher in NCAA tourney(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 10:31:43
          Thats so ridiculous - Bump834 MU - 7/28 15:29:52
               24 wins, top 5 in SEC, etc. are ridiculous standards for - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 15:37:53
                    For this year without a doubt - Bump834 MU - 7/28 20:54:29
                         That isn't the fault of the goal, bump. My goals for MU - 90Tiger MU - 7/29 09:58:45
                              Goals need to be attainable - Bump834 MU - 7/29 11:50:14
          FIJI is confusing the terms 'standard' which is based - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 13:44:25
               What the hell? I'm not confused - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:49:53
                    Then why substitute a standard of the past for a goal? - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 14:01:58
                         Why ask for a goal then limit it to whatever $hitty result - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 16:14:26
                              Because goals must be set in context - haeffb MU - 7/28 16:25:50
                         Who said it was a goal? - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 14:05:25
                              Original post said, 'how many wins will it take this year?' - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 14:33:40
                                   Right, this season. Again, its impossible for me to be - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 14:44:03
                                        Nevermind that no coach in any sport would ever agree that - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 23:54:10
                                        Okay, you may not be confused about your own opinion, - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 15:01:49
                                             Likely none, or something terrible(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 15:10:52
                                             Why don't you just ask what fiji thinks the goal should - tigerdb MU - 7/28 15:03:32
                                                  Good idea. FIJI, what is a goal for winning this year - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 15:15:23
                                                       i don't believe we have the capacity to be successful(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 15:31:52
                                                            That is so general that it says absolutely nothing. - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 21:36:02
                                                            Nor the capacity to fail (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/28 19:34:40
                                                                 No kidding! - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 22:33:23
                                                       "goal that is obtainable" lmao, why call it a goal? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 15:26:22
                                                            Weird. Do you set personal goals - haeffb MU - 7/28 21:28:41
                                                                 No sheet! As a youngster I wanted to get a college degree. - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 22:07:40
                                                            Because a prediction of the future is not really a goal - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 15:38:18
          So you expect Mizzou to be a top 5 program nationally - hou4mu MU - 7/28 13:30:53
               If we achieved those goals year in and year out, then yes - StaleyTiger MU - 7/28 13:36:01
               Most programs nationally have a difficult time finishing - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:32:36
                    Top 5 in their respective conferences - hou4mu MU - 7/28 13:43:41
                         Well MU's conference is the SEC, I don't have - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:44:58
          So, 10, 11 or 12 seed = failure. Flawless logic as always. - HissingPrigs77 MU - 7/28 13:13:10
               There is a gap between success and failure - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:29:41
                    No there isn't - haeffb MU - 7/28 16:21:19
                         Exactly! If you set 24 games as your goal, and only - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 19:51:12
                         "If at first you don't succeed, redefine the alternative." - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 17:09:05
                    Interesting interpretation of the words.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 13:34:00
                         Asking what I consider a failure is an entirely different - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:35:41
                              Success and failure are pretty black and white concepts.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 14:29:47
                                   I suppose simpletons do exist who believe those are the - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 14:46:33
                                        And yet the truth is still beyond your understanding - Mr. Orange SU - 7/28 18:35:21
                                        No, just people familiar with the way words work. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 16:30:00
               If we go 17-13 before the SEC tournament... - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 13:20:33
                    Ya, I don't think I'd consider 2001-02 a successful season - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:57:34
                    you added an element (final four run) to the scenario which - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 13:26:12
                         And just so you know on that Final Four... - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 13:32:55
                              That's nice, but not sure why it's relevant (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 14:00:36
                                   "made it a massive success then compared the two." - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 14:29:19
                         He chose to omit NCAA tournament results. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 13:31:40
                              Whether it is or isn't, you including it and then stating - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 14:01:36
                                   No it isn't. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 14:28:46
                                        only with a "run to the FF" tacked on. yeah, changes - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 15:54:52
                                             Despite all your whining, FIJI confirmed he'd call it a - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 16:58:48
                                                  No, actually I didn't (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 17:51:37
                                                       Your misunderstanding of basic English aside, yes, you did.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 17:54:55
                                                            RE: Your misunderstanding of basic English aside, yes, you did.(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 17:56:55
                                                                 Yes, that is the post I was referring to. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 18:01:03
                    Exactly. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 13:22:53
          I agree with the standard, but there is no way that is - DevilsAdvocate MU - 7/28 12:36:51
               That's a fine standard in a vacuum. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 12:57:06
          We've been "successful" about a dozen times in the past - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 12:25:57
               If you make it where you have to be at or over those numbers - tgr MU - 7/28 12:48:41
                    Well now, you're talking Mr. FIJI's numbers, and you - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 13:18:20
               I'd guess that 24 wins is based on the non-con & conference - tigerdb MU - 7/28 12:47:34
                    I'd guess the opposite. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 12:58:13
               That's what most fans don't get.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 7/28 12:36:34
          Whether it is a CEO, business owner, or basketball coach, - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 12:21:26
               Figuratively, he is the owner of the baseball team who wants - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 12:52:50
          In other words, what the standard should always be, - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 11:29:22
               Why should I settle for 24 wins, a bad seed, and no - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:34:27
                    My last word is that I'm adding your name to the chrome - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 11:54:36
                         Your view of the BB board just shrank by about 15%(nm) - tigerdb MU - 7/28 12:09:35
                    You didn't inquire as to what he believes the # s/b for 2017 - tigerdb MU - 7/28 11:43:28
                         I gave 90Tiger last word on HIS post which said it ALWAYS - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:57:03
                              His name is teetee - Mr. Orange SU - 7/28 18:37:04
          This is correct. Many wanted to fire a coach who won 23 - StaleyTiger MU - 7/28 11:06:12
               If Mike Anderson had gone to the NIT - haeffb MU - 7/28 16:03:37
          I would agree with that, still think KA should - MU-TULSA MU - 7/28 11:02:29
          Impossible - Delicious MU - 7/28 10:53:50
               Agree, a successful season is not possible (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:03:23
          hmm...ok. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 10:39:21
               He's not advocating to lower the bar - tigerdb MU - 7/28 11:27:01
               He doesn't want them to succeed. He wants to have more - go tigers MU - 7/28 10:58:00
                    I don't want him to succeed either. - catbirdseat MU - 7/28 11:34:25
                    Your ignorance is surpassed only by your dedication to it (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 11:30:07
                    Holy Moly, you dont think 24 wins would be a successful year - MU-TULSA MU - 7/28 11:03:46
                         That isn't what he said, not even close. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:09:34
               he didn't read where you said "this year" - TigerwTLP MU - 7/28 10:51:18
                    Hopefully that is the case - Nazfan MU - 7/28 10:56:39
                         he's not delusional, he does all his antics on purpose - TigerwTLP MU - 7/28 10:57:56
                              So...that would make him a liar? - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:05:23
                                   I think this is a case where he answered honestly and it - tgr MU - 7/28 11:08:13
                                        Interesting.. Usually feefee is behind you - Mr. Orange SU - 7/28 18:59:52
                                        If you win you lose is not a realistic answer to being - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:23:02
                                             RE: If you win you lose is not a realistic answer to being - tgr MU - 7/28 11:29:01
                                                  Just because he gave his opinion as asked doesn't mean his - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:30:41
                                                       How can you claim anyone's opinion isn't valid? Who are you - tgr MU - 7/28 11:32:37
                                                            RE: How can you claim anyone's opinion isn't valid? Who are you - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 12:05:54
                                                                 But it's not nonsense. Multiple people in this thread have - tgr MU - 7/28 12:13:13
                                                            I have to agree. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:41:38
                                                                 No one is forcing you. You can choose to agree, but you - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 12:07:22
                                                                      How do you know no one is forcing me? - Nazfan MU - 7/28 13:34:08
                                                                           I live in the real world. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 14:45:51
                                                                                You and Fiji - Nazfan MU - 7/29 12:48:38
                                        For "this" year, I disagree that it is realistic. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:12:29
                                             It's not realistic but that doesn't mean we should adjust - tgr MU - 7/28 11:25:14
                                             You didn't ask what is realistic. You asked a different - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:14:55
                                                  That is correct, and it was intentional. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:34:33
                                                       Hope it was helpful, that is my honest answer(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:35:53
                                                            It was. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:38:37
                                                  This is what you need to understand about FIJI and his - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:27:59
                                   Of course not(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:07:11
          The epitome of unreasonable expectations. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 10:38:14
               Those are normal expectations for success at MU. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:05:20
                    Those are not normal expectations for success at MU while - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:11:17
                         Mike Anderson in year 3 after taking over a program under - tgr MU - 7/28 11:30:59
                              There were numerous complaints of his failure to recruit - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 12:39:22
                         Of course they are(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:12:03
                              Once again FIJI wants to have the last word - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:15:36
                                   that was not a successful season by anyone's definition (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:34:12
               That is the baseline for a successful season at Mizzou. - tgr MU - 7/28 10:48:56
                    Catbird disagrees with you. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 10:50:21
                         OK. He's entitled to his opinion. I won't try to make him - tgr MU - 7/28 10:52:00
               that is what it would take. - catbirdseat MU - 7/28 10:40:08
                    Reasonable people know that the team can be successful - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 10:42:08
                         You hit the nail squarely on the head. (nm) - go tigers MU - 7/28 10:59:22
                         successful means at least making the Not In Tournament - catbirdseat MU - 7/28 10:43:57
                              So then you disagree with FIJI as to what defines success - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 10:46:27
                                   I would say making the NIT would be the minimum - catbirdseat MU - 7/28 10:53:59
     based on where its been the NIT would be a success and - ajpe53 MU - 7/28 10:14:22
     RE: Hey Fiji, how many wins will it take this year - Ray-tiger MU - 7/28 10:14:21




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