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That's a fine standard in a vacuum.

Posted on: July 28, 2016 at 12:57:06 CT
zodiac6 JC
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But in judging the success of any individual season, you also have to factor in context.

I would call Scott Drew's first four years at Baylor pretty damn successful, but he had a record of 36-79 (12-52) over those four years. Looking just at the results, you could use a FIJI-type of logic and say he was a failure. But if you factor in the program he took over, he was a huge success.

Not to compare the situations, but you have to consider context when considering success.

KA inherited a team that had a lot of problems. He's addressed some. He's created some others. All of that has to be taken into consideration when assessing next year. And IMO, a 24-win, top-five SEC, NCAA nine-seed expectation is too ambitious.
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Hey Fiji, how many wins will it take this year - Nazfan MU - 7/28 10:08:36
     Feefee reminds me of keke. The guy everyone loves - Mr. Orange SU - 7/28 15:58:58
     24 wins, top 5 in SEC, 9 seed or higher in NCAA tourney(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 10:31:43
          Thats so ridiculous - Bump834 MU - 7/28 15:29:52
               24 wins, top 5 in SEC, etc. are ridiculous standards for - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 15:37:53
                    For this year without a doubt - Bump834 MU - 7/28 20:54:29
                         That isn't the fault of the goal, bump. My goals for MU - 90Tiger MU - 7/29 09:58:45
                              Goals need to be attainable - Bump834 MU - 7/29 11:50:14
          FIJI is confusing the terms 'standard' which is based - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 13:44:25
               What the hell? I'm not confused - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:49:53
                    Then why substitute a standard of the past for a goal? - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 14:01:58
                         Why ask for a goal then limit it to whatever $hitty result - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 16:14:26
                              Because goals must be set in context - haeffb MU - 7/28 16:25:50
                         Who said it was a goal? - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 14:05:25
                              Original post said, 'how many wins will it take this year?' - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 14:33:40
                                   Right, this season. Again, its impossible for me to be - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 14:44:03
                                        Nevermind that no coach in any sport would ever agree that - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 23:54:10
                                        Okay, you may not be confused about your own opinion, - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 15:01:49
                                             Likely none, or something terrible(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 15:10:52
                                             Why don't you just ask what fiji thinks the goal should - tigerdb MU - 7/28 15:03:32
                                                  Good idea. FIJI, what is a goal for winning this year - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 15:15:23
                                                       i don't believe we have the capacity to be successful(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 15:31:52
                                                            That is so general that it says absolutely nothing. - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 21:36:02
                                                            Nor the capacity to fail (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/28 19:34:40
                                                                 No kidding! - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 22:33:23
                                                       "goal that is obtainable" lmao, why call it a goal? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 15:26:22
                                                            Weird. Do you set personal goals - haeffb MU - 7/28 21:28:41
                                                                 No sheet! As a youngster I wanted to get a college degree. - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 22:07:40
                                                            Because a prediction of the future is not really a goal - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 15:38:18
          So you expect Mizzou to be a top 5 program nationally - hou4mu MU - 7/28 13:30:53
               If we achieved those goals year in and year out, then yes - StaleyTiger MU - 7/28 13:36:01
               Most programs nationally have a difficult time finishing - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:32:36
                    Top 5 in their respective conferences - hou4mu MU - 7/28 13:43:41
                         Well MU's conference is the SEC, I don't have - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:44:58
          So, 10, 11 or 12 seed = failure. Flawless logic as always. - HissingPrigs77 MU - 7/28 13:13:10
               There is a gap between success and failure - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:29:41
                    No there isn't - haeffb MU - 7/28 16:21:19
                         Exactly! If you set 24 games as your goal, and only - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 19:51:12
                         "If at first you don't succeed, redefine the alternative." - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 17:09:05
                    Interesting interpretation of the words.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 13:34:00
                         Asking what I consider a failure is an entirely different - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:35:41
                              Success and failure are pretty black and white concepts.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 14:29:47
                                   I suppose simpletons do exist who believe those are the - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 14:46:33
                                        And yet the truth is still beyond your understanding - Mr. Orange SU - 7/28 18:35:21
                                        No, just people familiar with the way words work. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 16:30:00
               If we go 17-13 before the SEC tournament... - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 13:20:33
                    Ya, I don't think I'd consider 2001-02 a successful season - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 13:57:34
                    you added an element (final four run) to the scenario which - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 13:26:12
                         And just so you know on that Final Four... - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 13:32:55
                              That's nice, but not sure why it's relevant (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 14:00:36
                                   "made it a massive success then compared the two." - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 14:29:19
                         He chose to omit NCAA tournament results. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 13:31:40
                              Whether it is or isn't, you including it and then stating - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 14:01:36
                                   No it isn't. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 14:28:46
                                        only with a "run to the FF" tacked on. yeah, changes - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 15:54:52
                                             Despite all your whining, FIJI confirmed he'd call it a - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 16:58:48
                                                  No, actually I didn't (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 17:51:37
                                                       Your misunderstanding of basic English aside, yes, you did.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 17:54:55
                                                            RE: Your misunderstanding of basic English aside, yes, you did.(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 17:56:55
                                                                 Yes, that is the post I was referring to. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 18:01:03
                    Exactly. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 13:22:53
          I agree with the standard, but there is no way that is - DevilsAdvocate MU - 7/28 12:36:51
               That's a fine standard in a vacuum. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 12:57:06
          We've been "successful" about a dozen times in the past - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 12:25:57
               If you make it where you have to be at or over those numbers - tgr MU - 7/28 12:48:41
                    Well now, you're talking Mr. FIJI's numbers, and you - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 13:18:20
               I'd guess that 24 wins is based on the non-con & conference - tigerdb MU - 7/28 12:47:34
                    I'd guess the opposite. - zodiac6 JC - 7/28 12:58:13
               That's what most fans don't get.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 7/28 12:36:34
          Whether it is a CEO, business owner, or basketball coach, - Doc Epps MU - 7/28 12:21:26
               Figuratively, he is the owner of the baseball team who wants - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 12:52:50
          In other words, what the standard should always be, - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 11:29:22
               Why should I settle for 24 wins, a bad seed, and no - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:34:27
                    My last word is that I'm adding your name to the chrome - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 11:54:36
                         Your view of the BB board just shrank by about 15%(nm) - tigerdb MU - 7/28 12:09:35
                    You didn't inquire as to what he believes the # s/b for 2017 - tigerdb MU - 7/28 11:43:28
                         I gave 90Tiger last word on HIS post which said it ALWAYS - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:57:03
                              His name is teetee - Mr. Orange SU - 7/28 18:37:04
          This is correct. Many wanted to fire a coach who won 23 - StaleyTiger MU - 7/28 11:06:12
               If Mike Anderson had gone to the NIT - haeffb MU - 7/28 16:03:37
          I would agree with that, still think KA should - MU-TULSA MU - 7/28 11:02:29
          Impossible - Delicious MU - 7/28 10:53:50
               Agree, a successful season is not possible (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:03:23
          hmm...ok. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 10:39:21
               He's not advocating to lower the bar - tigerdb MU - 7/28 11:27:01
               He doesn't want them to succeed. He wants to have more - go tigers MU - 7/28 10:58:00
                    I don't want him to succeed either. - catbirdseat MU - 7/28 11:34:25
                    Your ignorance is surpassed only by your dedication to it (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/28 11:30:07
                    Holy Moly, you dont think 24 wins would be a successful year - MU-TULSA MU - 7/28 11:03:46
                         That isn't what he said, not even close. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:09:34
               he didn't read where you said "this year" - TigerwTLP MU - 7/28 10:51:18
                    Hopefully that is the case - Nazfan MU - 7/28 10:56:39
                         he's not delusional, he does all his antics on purpose - TigerwTLP MU - 7/28 10:57:56
                              So...that would make him a liar? - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:05:23
                                   I think this is a case where he answered honestly and it - tgr MU - 7/28 11:08:13
                                        Interesting.. Usually feefee is behind you - Mr. Orange SU - 7/28 18:59:52
                                        If you win you lose is not a realistic answer to being - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:23:02
                                             RE: If you win you lose is not a realistic answer to being - tgr MU - 7/28 11:29:01
                                                  Just because he gave his opinion as asked doesn't mean his - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:30:41
                                                       How can you claim anyone's opinion isn't valid? Who are you - tgr MU - 7/28 11:32:37
                                                            RE: How can you claim anyone's opinion isn't valid? Who are you - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 12:05:54
                                                                 But it's not nonsense. Multiple people in this thread have - tgr MU - 7/28 12:13:13
                                                            I have to agree. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:41:38
                                                                 No one is forcing you. You can choose to agree, but you - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 12:07:22
                                                                      How do you know no one is forcing me? - Nazfan MU - 7/28 13:34:08
                                                                           I live in the real world. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 14:45:51
                                                                                You and Fiji - Nazfan MU - 7/29 12:48:38
                                        For "this" year, I disagree that it is realistic. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:12:29
                                             It's not realistic but that doesn't mean we should adjust - tgr MU - 7/28 11:25:14
                                             You didn't ask what is realistic. You asked a different - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:14:55
                                                  That is correct, and it was intentional. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:34:33
                                                       Hope it was helpful, that is my honest answer(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:35:53
                                                            It was. - Nazfan MU - 7/28 11:38:37
                                                  This is what you need to understand about FIJI and his - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:27:59
                                   Of course not(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:07:11
          The epitome of unreasonable expectations. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 10:38:14
               Those are normal expectations for success at MU. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:05:20
                    Those are not normal expectations for success at MU while - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:11:17
                         Mike Anderson in year 3 after taking over a program under - tgr MU - 7/28 11:30:59
                              There were numerous complaints of his failure to recruit - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 12:39:22
                         Of course they are(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:12:03
                              Once again FIJI wants to have the last word - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 11:15:36
                                   that was not a successful season by anyone's definition (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/28 11:34:12
               That is the baseline for a successful season at Mizzou. - tgr MU - 7/28 10:48:56
                    Catbird disagrees with you. - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 10:50:21
                         OK. He's entitled to his opinion. I won't try to make him - tgr MU - 7/28 10:52:00
               that is what it would take. - catbirdseat MU - 7/28 10:40:08
                    Reasonable people know that the team can be successful - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 10:42:08
                         You hit the nail squarely on the head. (nm) - go tigers MU - 7/28 10:59:22
                         successful means at least making the Not In Tournament - catbirdseat MU - 7/28 10:43:57
                              So then you disagree with FIJI as to what defines success - MizzouTigerz MU - 7/28 10:46:27
                                   I would say making the NIT would be the minimum - catbirdseat MU - 7/28 10:53:59
     based on where its been the NIT would be a success and - ajpe53 MU - 7/28 10:14:22
     RE: Hey Fiji, how many wins will it take this year - Ray-tiger MU - 7/28 10:14:21




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