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Posted on: January 22, 2025 at 10:57:24 CT
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Children of members of an invading army that has occupied and controlled some part of US territory, born on that occupied area, who are obviously not subject to US Law (which has rarely happened in the US, although Guam was occupied during WWII, and parts of Alaska, and small parts of Maine during the War of 1812); and

Members of Native American tribes, subject to the jurisdiction of their tribal governments, who do not pay US taxes. (This was true when the 14th amendment was passed, but it no longer is. See section below on the act that changed it in 1924.)
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So for birthright citzenship - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 10:44:20
     It is extremely simple. If you are in the US on the official - TigerMatt KC - 1/22 13:42:26
     Of course. How is he or she NOT subject to the jurisdiction - hokie VT - 1/22 11:36:43
          if it meant for anyone born here to be a citizen - pickle MU - 1/22 12:04:41
               RE: if it meant for anyone born here to be a citizen - *M* KC - 1/22 15:00:52
                    no ****? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/22 17:15:09
          Amending the Constitution would be the ideal route. But - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:44:33
               it isn't open to interpretation except by people - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:51:55
               If illegals are not under the jurisdiction of the US, that - hokie VT - 1/22 11:50:35
                    They do exactly that until identified and apprehended. - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 12:04:49
                         that has nothing to do with jurisdiction (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/22 12:16:30
                    It’s why they’re being deported - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/22 11:54:52
                    that's exactly what it would mean (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:52:12
               Wrong. The EO includes legal aliens (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/22 11:46:59
          It doesn’t need rewriting - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/22 11:44:16
          it wasn't poorly written (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:38:27
               It was passed to give citizenship to former slaves - mu7176grad MU - 1/22 11:46:44
                    exactly - FootballRefugee MU - 1/22 11:52:05
     Foreign diplomats are not subject to the jurisdiction - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 11:32:15
          So pedro's parents who don't speak english, have no - hokie VT - 1/22 11:39:10
               No, they are subject to US jurisdiction, so if Pedro was - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 13:14:37
               that's the claim of DHighlander and 4Tigs - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:40:02
                    Not even close to what I said. Diplomats are a special case - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:47:38
                         Bingo. 100% correct - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 13:17:18
                         but the claim illegal aliens are not subject to the - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:54:44
                              Any child of those unauthorized aliens, if born in the US, - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 13:18:47
          But the baby was not born in the French embassy - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/22 11:38:37
     No (nm) - pickle MU - 1/22 11:19:15
     Be interesting to see what the courts decide. (nm) - ZouMiz STL - 1/22 10:58:07
          yes, overdue for modern and practical - FootballRefugee MU - 1/22 11:04:32
     End it and it will stop a lot of illegals - Bosalphus KC - 1/22 10:57:35
          Then you'll have to repeal the 14th, which I'm sure - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 13:20:46
          They will still come because of the economic opportunities - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:14:27
          I agree. It's a relic from the past we can't afford . - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/22 10:59:34
     RE: So for birthright citzenship - *M* KC - 1/22 10:54:03
          It doesn't appear that illegal aliens are subject to our jur - BH O'bonga MU - 1/22 11:10:42
               Wrong. They do not have diplomatic immunity, so they - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 13:22:23
               they are (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:12:56
                    So is that really the crux of this matter? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 11:15:02
                         you're asking what 'jurisdiction' means? (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:17:40
                              I am wonderinfg if the issue here is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 11:18:54
                                   Are illegals subject to anything when the regime ignores - BH O'bonga MU - 1/22 11:47:08
                                   are you subject to the jurisdiction of Wisconsin? - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:20:04
                                        I live there, I am a legal citizen there - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 11:26:55
                                             I'm currently in Virginia, but I live in Maryland and am a - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 13:24:38
                                             I believe this is where the term anchor baby was coined(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 1/22 11:32:23
                                             so if you travel to New York, are you subject to their - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:27:43
                                                  Yes nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 13:26:02
          the exclusion can also apply - FootballRefugee MU - 1/22 11:00:44
               incorrect (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:01:22
          it also includes - Seagull MU - 1/22 10:57:24
               RE: it also includes - *M* KC - 1/22 10:58:46
     No - Spanky KU - 1/22 10:52:34
          RE: No - *M* KC - 1/22 10:55:17
               That was the proper definition of "subject to the - Spanky KU - 1/22 11:11:58
     if you can be arrested, you're subject to the jurisdiction - Seagull MU - 1/22 10:44:59
          incorrect - FootballRefugee MU - 1/22 11:03:43
               if they are not under US jurisdicition, then the US has no - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:05:53
                    Until someone is aware of their presence you are correct. - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:39:59
                         You're under the jursidiction of a country - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/22 12:52:41
                         you couldn't be more wrong - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:41:24
                    they can be detained - FootballRefugee MU - 1/22 11:07:24
                         they can be charged and convicted of a crime (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:12:39
          That is your opinion. That's the problem with the idiot and - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 10:54:08
               this from the idiot who says a thief is the de facto owner (nm) - pickle MU - 1/22 11:18:31
                    I don't think you know what de facto means. Not surprising - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:22:24
                         once again you double down on stupidity - pickle MU - 1/22 11:26:58
               lol what a dumb example (nm) - Columbian Gold MU - 1/22 11:00:00
                    No it's applies perfectly. Someone cannot be under your - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:05:06
                         false (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:06:12
               it's not opinion (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/22 10:56:40
                    I dont think that word means what you think it means Vizzini - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:06:46
                         no, I just think you're not intelligent enough to understand - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:07:20
                              I'm not the one stating personal opinion as fact. - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:10:25
                                   the courts agree with me - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:11:28
                                        The courts have never ruled on this aspect. It was not an - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:16:50
                                             wrong again - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:18:04
                                                  Does not address the aspect of legal versus illegal alien. - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 11:28:43
                                                       wrong again - Seagull MU - 1/22 11:37:15
          Nope - Spanky KU - 1/22 10:53:58
          OK - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 10:51:25
               RE: OK - Seagull MU - 1/22 10:56:09
                    Thanks(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 11:07:53




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