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Now that we are talking about state of mind, the state

Posted on: June 4, 2020 at 10:59:42 CT
ummmm MU
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doesn't have to prove that. They have charged him with Second Degree Unintentional Murder.

Here's the Minnesota Statute:


609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
§Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or

(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.
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has it been discussed that the autopsy report of Floyd - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:36:43
     The fact that 6'6" Floyd went into full wrestling match - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 6/4 11:35:11
     Can they charge him for multiple levels of the same type of - JeffB MU - 6/4 11:33:03
     Sometimes when you do the wrong thing, you suffer for it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/4 10:58:42
     Why are you trying to throw gas on this fire? - JayRoy KC - 6/4 10:53:21
     The heros of the left are criminals, drug users and - hokie VT - 6/4 10:47:53
          There it is - meatiger MU - 6/4 10:55:59
               I neither said, suggested, implied or insinuated that. But - hokie VT - 6/4 11:01:05
                    “This guy had been arrested multiple times.” (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 11:21:52
               To hokie, black = bad. - markymarksthirdnipple STL - 6/4 10:57:56
          you're a complete fcking idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/4 10:50:42
          you are so far gone, you’re hopeless (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:48:30
     Floyd was not going to die at that moment from any of that - Spanky KU - 6/4 10:46:53
          show me the medical proof that he was not going to die - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:50:05
               I guess the cop should have removed his knee while - ashtray UF - 6/4 10:51:56
                    Chauvin assaulted him. Show me the medical proof Floyd - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:57:12
                         I didn't mean to imply you are defending Chauvin - ashtray UF - 6/4 11:01:14
                              I know of precisely ZERO law enforcement officers who - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:06:56
                                   at least none that would admit it (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/4 11:08:01
          But how much did it contribute? - Calca STL - 6/4 10:49:55
     Hell, I’m curious to see where this China virus diagnosis - MIZ45 MU - 6/4 10:43:37
     if they can find several experts that can testify that GF - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/4 10:42:47
          Murder 3 and manslaughter is a slam dunk conviction - Calca STL - 6/4 10:43:27
               he's charged with murder 3 and 2nd degree manslaughter - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 10:52:26
                    I heard they upped it to murder 2 yesterday, that wrong?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/4 10:54:54
                         yes. that is the alternative part of "in the alternative"(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 10:59:37
                              he's charged with 2nd degree murder, not 2nd degree manslaug - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/4 11:21:38
                                   he's charged with 1) second degree murder; 2) third degree - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 11:57:32
                         They did - Calca STL - 6/4 10:55:49
                         you are correct (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/4 10:55:32
               agreed. - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:44:24
     I don't think the "coincidence defense" is going to win the - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:41:01
          It'll hurt an attempt at a murder 2 conviction - Calca STL - 6/4 10:41:52
               Why? Isn't the difference between murder 2 and 3 state of - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:43:17
                    Yes, mind of the defendant - Calca STL - 6/4 10:44:09
                         that's wrong - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 10:50:19
                              Intent to kill is necessary as the legal definition - Calca STL - 6/4 10:53:08
                                   i don't know how to tell you ben shapiro is wrong - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 10:58:06
                                        Dude this is the exact minnesota law right here - Calca STL - 6/4 11:00:36
                                             i think what you're missing on the charge is the felony - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:23:18
                                             He's been charged with Second Degree UNINTENTIONAL - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:05:42
                                             i'm not sure if you're trolling or stupid - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 11:02:52
                                                  The unintentional subdivision is only for other felonies - Calca STL - 6/4 11:09:32
                                                       RE: The unintentional subdivision is only for felony murders - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 11:13:59
                                                            RE: The unintentional subdivision is only for felony murders - Calca STL - 6/4 11:50:13
                                                       That's what he has been charged with. - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:10:24
                                                            I meant felony assault - Calca STL - 6/4 11:22:09
                                                                 Did you mean that? Because this is the first time in 8 - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:26:38
                                                                      Again, the prosecution also has to prove that the cop - Calca STL - 6/4 11:35:58
                                        I've posted the Minnesota statute below to help him: - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:00:16
                         The OP about drugs in Floyd's system doesn't bear on state - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:45:45
                              Lawyer will argue otherwise - Calca STL - 6/4 10:48:16
                                   You're still talking about the causation element, not the - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:51:40
                                        yes there are two different avenuse on the defense. 1. there - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:02:32
                                             RE: yes there are two different avenuse on the defense. 1. there - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:07:10
                                                  my point being is that was the heart attack coincidental?? - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:13:23
                                                       "I can't breathe" will gut this defense. - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:15:39
                                             1. isn't a defense. intent to commit assault 3rd is(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 11:05:06
                                        I'm talking the state of mind of the cop not the victim - Calca STL - 6/4 10:54:21
                                             The cop is the defendant... (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:55:10
                                                  Caught the mistake before you typed - Calca STL - 6/4 10:56:28
                                                  Oh, you edited to "victim". The state of mind of the victim - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:56:14
                                                       Yes I know - Calca STL - 6/4 10:57:04
                                                            Now that we are talking about state of mind, the state - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:59:42
     eggshell skull doctrine (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 6/4 10:38:11
     all of it is irrelevant (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:37:46
          it's 100% relevant and to argue otherwise is idiotic. it's - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:38:46
               Did he die of artherosclerosis?(nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/4 10:44:22
                    he died of a heart attack so the portion I included about - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:44:48
                         The heart attack is listed as this in the report: - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/4 11:16:05
                              nowhere in the report does it say there was a heat attack - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:20:56
                                   That's literally listed at the top of the report. - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/4 11:23:08
               a cop KNELT on his neck for 8+ minutes - pickle MU - 6/4 10:40:34
                    i could kneel on your neck for hours and not kill you. - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:43:01
                         Just join the klan.. - ivan drago MU - 6/4 10:48:19
                              Get out of here with this nonsense. Blake is respectfully - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:52:29
                                   No he is not.. - ivan drago MU - 6/4 10:58:36
                                        so asking for evidence that the pressure on his neck is - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:05:02
                                        It's a disputed issue, and this is why trials exist. - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:04:20
                         You could shoot someone in the head and not kill them too.(nm) - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:48:15
                              yes and that would be assault. also i dont know that I would - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:59:27
                                   But what if the person died from gunshot? Still assault? (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:03:50
                                        a more accurate comparison would be if I shot you in - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:18:14
                                             You might roll out the coincidence defense there too, but I - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:27:31
                                                  it will be almost impossible for him to get a fair trial so - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:34:53
                         lol you are missing the point (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:47:16
                    Also, they accosted him to start the interactions. (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:41:47
                         over a non-violent action (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:42:16
                    Cop needs to go to jail - Calca STL - 6/4 10:41:18
               It is irrelevant. All of it. (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:39:29
                    His lawyer won't think so - Calca STL - 6/4 10:40:41




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