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I'm talking the state of mind of the cop not the victim

Posted on: June 4, 2020 at 10:54:21 CT
Calca STL
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They have to prove the cop intended to kill him and knew he was killing him with a second degree murder charge

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ben-shapiro-warns-ag-keith-ellison-risky-to-overcharge-george-floyd-case

Edited by Calca at 10:55:01 on 06/04/20
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has it been discussed that the autopsy report of Floyd - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:36:43
     The fact that 6'6" Floyd went into full wrestling match - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 6/4 11:35:11
     Can they charge him for multiple levels of the same type of - JeffB MU - 6/4 11:33:03
     Sometimes when you do the wrong thing, you suffer for it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/4 10:58:42
     Why are you trying to throw gas on this fire? - JayRoy KC - 6/4 10:53:21
     The heros of the left are criminals, drug users and - hokie VT - 6/4 10:47:53
          There it is - meatiger MU - 6/4 10:55:59
               I neither said, suggested, implied or insinuated that. But - hokie VT - 6/4 11:01:05
                    “This guy had been arrested multiple times.” (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 11:21:52
               To hokie, black = bad. - markymarksthirdnipple STL - 6/4 10:57:56
          you're a complete fcking idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/4 10:50:42
          you are so far gone, you’re hopeless (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:48:30
     Floyd was not going to die at that moment from any of that - Spanky KU - 6/4 10:46:53
          show me the medical proof that he was not going to die - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:50:05
               I guess the cop should have removed his knee while - ashtray UF - 6/4 10:51:56
                    Chauvin assaulted him. Show me the medical proof Floyd - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:57:12
                         I didn't mean to imply you are defending Chauvin - ashtray UF - 6/4 11:01:14
                              I know of precisely ZERO law enforcement officers who - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:06:56
                                   at least none that would admit it (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/4 11:08:01
          But how much did it contribute? - Calca STL - 6/4 10:49:55
     Hell, I’m curious to see where this China virus diagnosis - MIZ45 MU - 6/4 10:43:37
     if they can find several experts that can testify that GF - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/4 10:42:47
          Murder 3 and manslaughter is a slam dunk conviction - Calca STL - 6/4 10:43:27
               he's charged with murder 3 and 2nd degree manslaughter - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 10:52:26
                    I heard they upped it to murder 2 yesterday, that wrong?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/4 10:54:54
                         yes. that is the alternative part of "in the alternative"(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 10:59:37
                              he's charged with 2nd degree murder, not 2nd degree manslaug - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/4 11:21:38
                                   he's charged with 1) second degree murder; 2) third degree - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 11:57:32
                         They did - Calca STL - 6/4 10:55:49
                         you are correct (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/4 10:55:32
               agreed. - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:44:24
     I don't think the "coincidence defense" is going to win the - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:41:01
          It'll hurt an attempt at a murder 2 conviction - Calca STL - 6/4 10:41:52
               Why? Isn't the difference between murder 2 and 3 state of - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:43:17
                    Yes, mind of the defendant - Calca STL - 6/4 10:44:09
                         that's wrong - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 10:50:19
                              Intent to kill is necessary as the legal definition - Calca STL - 6/4 10:53:08
                                   i don't know how to tell you ben shapiro is wrong - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 10:58:06
                                        Dude this is the exact minnesota law right here - Calca STL - 6/4 11:00:36
                                             i think what you're missing on the charge is the felony - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:23:18
                                             He's been charged with Second Degree UNINTENTIONAL - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:05:42
                                             i'm not sure if you're trolling or stupid - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 11:02:52
                                                  The unintentional subdivision is only for other felonies - Calca STL - 6/4 11:09:32
                                                       RE: The unintentional subdivision is only for felony murders - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 11:13:59
                                                            RE: The unintentional subdivision is only for felony murders - Calca STL - 6/4 11:50:13
                                                       That's what he has been charged with. - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:10:24
                                                            I meant felony assault - Calca STL - 6/4 11:22:09
                                                                 Did you mean that? Because this is the first time in 8 - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:26:38
                                                                      Again, the prosecution also has to prove that the cop - Calca STL - 6/4 11:35:58
                                        I've posted the Minnesota statute below to help him: - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:00:16
                         The OP about drugs in Floyd's system doesn't bear on state - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:45:45
                              Lawyer will argue otherwise - Calca STL - 6/4 10:48:16
                                   You're still talking about the causation element, not the - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:51:40
                                        yes there are two different avenuse on the defense. 1. there - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:02:32
                                             RE: yes there are two different avenuse on the defense. 1. there - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:07:10
                                                  my point being is that was the heart attack coincidental?? - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:13:23
                                                       "I can't breathe" will gut this defense. - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:15:39
                                             1. isn't a defense. intent to commit assault 3rd is(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 6/4 11:05:06
                                        I'm talking the state of mind of the cop not the victim - Calca STL - 6/4 10:54:21
                                             The cop is the defendant... (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:55:10
                                                  Caught the mistake before you typed - Calca STL - 6/4 10:56:28
                                                  Oh, you edited to "victim". The state of mind of the victim - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:56:14
                                                       Yes I know - Calca STL - 6/4 10:57:04
                                                            Now that we are talking about state of mind, the state - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:59:42
     eggshell skull doctrine (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 6/4 10:38:11
     all of it is irrelevant (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:37:46
          it's 100% relevant and to argue otherwise is idiotic. it's - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:38:46
               Did he die of artherosclerosis?(nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/4 10:44:22
                    he died of a heart attack so the portion I included about - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:44:48
                         The heart attack is listed as this in the report: - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/4 11:16:05
                              nowhere in the report does it say there was a heat attack - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:20:56
                                   That's literally listed at the top of the report. - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/4 11:23:08
               a cop KNELT on his neck for 8+ minutes - pickle MU - 6/4 10:40:34
                    i could kneel on your neck for hours and not kill you. - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:43:01
                         Just join the klan.. - ivan drago MU - 6/4 10:48:19
                              Get out of here with this nonsense. Blake is respectfully - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:52:29
                                   No he is not.. - ivan drago MU - 6/4 10:58:36
                                        so asking for evidence that the pressure on his neck is - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:05:02
                                        It's a disputed issue, and this is why trials exist. - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:04:20
                         You could shoot someone in the head and not kill them too.(nm) - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:48:15
                              yes and that would be assault. also i dont know that I would - blake1771 MU - 6/4 10:59:27
                                   But what if the person died from gunshot? Still assault? (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:03:50
                                        a more accurate comparison would be if I shot you in - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:18:14
                                             You might roll out the coincidence defense there too, but I - ummmm MU - 6/4 11:27:31
                                                  it will be almost impossible for him to get a fair trial so - blake1771 MU - 6/4 11:34:53
                         lol you are missing the point (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:47:16
                    Also, they accosted him to start the interactions. (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/4 10:41:47
                         over a non-violent action (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:42:16
                    Cop needs to go to jail - Calca STL - 6/4 10:41:18
               It is irrelevant. All of it. (nm) - pickle MU - 6/4 10:39:29
                    His lawyer won't think so - Calca STL - 6/4 10:40:41




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