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but by saying "I Believe......it to be fact" it makes

Posted on: January 22, 2018 at 13:14:25 CT
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it very, very unclear.

Why not just say "I believe" and leave it as a matter of Faith, which you try to imply?
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I had a sweet recent college grad tell me over coffee - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:00:32
     lol - pickle MU - 1/22 14:04:54
     Bwahaha... reason? At a church? ROFLMAO - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:20:01
          Would you laugh if it was at a mosque, or - hokie VT - 1/22 13:37:12
               I would (and do) laugh at all religion. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:40:39
                    Your belief that 'there is no God' is itself a belief, of - JeffB MU - 1/22 15:47:19
                    Here's the text of the Constitution... - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:56:42
                         Here's the text of the word of Almighty God, who owns the - MizzouTigerz MU - 1/22 15:20:53
                    What an idiotic statement. Two incompatible concepts - hokie VT - 1/22 13:48:02
                         I feel sorry for you and those you call loved ones. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:50:57
                              Explain how you have the right to be free from religion, - hokie VT - 1/22 13:56:41
                                   Freedom FROM religion is literally freedom from government - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:58:21
                                        That is ridiculous, not to mention stupid. The current - hokie VT - 1/22 14:07:27
                                             Wow... really? - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:31:22
                                                  You read the books, but didn’t understand them. You say that - hokie VT - 1/22 14:39:35
                                                       I've thought about this a lot, as an academic - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:43:03
                                                            Academic. Teaching jr high? Hopefully no one with - hokie VT - 1/22 15:10:21
                                                                 I teach at the university level. And run a research lab - paleojas MU - 1/22 15:20:22
                                                                      God help us. nm - hokie VT - 1/22 15:22:59
                                                            why should the fed gvmt be funding research or human - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 14:50:03
                                                                 That is a different discussion... - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:56:17
                                                                      there are no good arguments in favor of it. it's not - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 15:10:41
                                                                           Do you value your health? Or should we leave health research - paleojas MU - 1/22 15:18:10
                    No, freedom of religion is just that. If our founders had - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 13:47:38
                         Read the constitution, my friend - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:49:15
                              That does not say you have freedom FROM religion - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 14:22:43
                                   Literally says we have freedom FROM state-sponsored religion - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:40:09
                    Good for you, Quit trying to coerce Christians to do things - Uncle Fester USMC - 1/22 13:45:50
                         I would LOVE it if you left non-Christians alone - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:52:58
                    Hey, you are up to 360 posts in 16.53 years...good job!(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:42:26
                         Thanks. You trump idiots made me start posting again - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:45:46
                              Bye (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:46:31
                                   Struck a nerve, huh? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:47:47
                                   Sensitive, huh? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:47:10
                                        No, happy to run ya off(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:47:33
                                             How's that' going for ya? I'm still here - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:48:10
                                                  Oh goody...bring it on son (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:52:04
                                                       Son... hahaha... - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:53:26
               He'd laugh....his head off (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:40:16
          Faith and reason go hand in hand. Atheism, on the other - JeffB MU - 1/22 13:33:43
               lol (nm) - pickle MU - 1/22 14:06:23
               What a garbage article. Assume god exists, there is still - TigerMatt STL - 1/22 13:45:44
                    The article demonstrated what it set out to demonstrate, - JeffB MU - 1/22 14:05:10
                         it's garbage - pickle MU - 1/22 14:13:56
                              Wrong on all counts, pickle. (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/22 14:22:04
                                   no, Jeff. you really don't know anything about logic - pickle MU - 1/22 14:54:41
                                        Perhaps you think you know more than Professor Peter Kreeft, - JeffB MU - 1/22 15:36:41
                    You couldn't tell it was garbage just from the URL? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:46:51
                         The point is absurd. The article proved what it set out to - JeffB MU - 1/22 14:11:13
                              Your straw man is also absurd here, my friend. - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:46:13
                                   You replied to TigerMatt, saying that - JeffB MU - 1/22 15:04:19
                                        I prefer to think of myself as having thought through - paleojas MU - 1/22 15:10:34
                                             If you have thought through religion to the point that you - JeffB MU - 1/22 15:29:42
                                                  The laws of thermodynamics apply to systems in vacuums - paleojas MU - 1/22 17:00:43
                                                       The phrase you are searching for is 'closed system' not - JeffB MU - 1/22 17:31:27
                                                            A vacuum is a closed system. Thanks for your input. - paleojas MU - 1/23 08:03:15
               what if one is neither faithful nor an atheist, Jeff? One - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:39:41
                    'Why is faith a virtue and delusion derided?' - because - JeffB MU - 1/22 13:58:36
                         circular horse$hit reasoning right out of the gate. - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 14:02:53
                              No, you asked a question & I answered it. The argument - JeffB MU - 1/22 14:25:13
                              it's impossible (nm) - pickle MU - 1/22 14:06:46
          you think people can't be rational about some things - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:27:57
               Indeed, I will listen to an Atheists political views - Uncle Fester USMC - 1/22 13:32:18
               They can be - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:30:14
                    no it isn't, because he wasn't talking about religion with - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:31:07
                         ok... you changed my mind. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:32:42
                              congratulations (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:33:27
          Thank you for the reasoned input - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:21:28
               You're welcome - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:24:55
                    Was it hard making that spreadsheet of handles all - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:28:15
                         Who do you think I am? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:29:18
                              Well, a fool comes to mind, immediately (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:30:43
                                   Any specific one you have in mind? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:31:08
                                        Too many doubles and don't play dumb(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:32:34
                                             Only one dumb here is you, pal. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:33:26
                                                  Struck a nerve, huh? (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:33:58
                                                       Hey JP! Weird way to hit on dudes on the - Le Tigre - 1/22 13:36:10
                                                            There are more than a few gays on this board. Just FYI - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:37:44
                                                       You wish you did. But I'm calm. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:35:14
                                                            Sensitive, huh? (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:35:50
                                                                 haha - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:37:03
               Perhaps if a significant amount of that tax rebate went to - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 13:23:43
                    I think you have at least a couple of false premises in ther - JeffB MU - 1/22 13:37:26
                    Where do the "tax funds" go? Mars? (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/22 13:35:23
                    nobody mentioned the economy. tax reductions keep - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:28:47
                    I never said they went back into the economy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:27:58
     Ironic and unlikely to be a true story to boot - JG MU - 1/22 13:16:42
     ah, the joy of OPM and what good "we" can do with it (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:07:57
          Always much easier to do good with OPM - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:08:36
               it would make me feel so good if the gvmt taxed the rich - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:12:31
                    Careful - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:14:18
     The lib brain is both marvelous and depressing to behold.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/22 13:05:02
     I'm glad she's in church and hope she listens and that - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:04:19
          Agree on being glad she is in church - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:07:39
               since you mentioned it - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:11:24
                    It is why in matters of faith I work so hard to be clear - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:13:24
                         but by saying "I Believe......it to be fact" it makes - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:14:25
                              Because if I recall, that discussion was specific to facts - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:16:25
                                   it means you believe it. adding "believe it is a fact" - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:18:55
                                        So you should let it go(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:21:15
                                             why? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:29:03
                                                  Because I am making you look like Schumer - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:30:02
                                        Again, the only reason I said it that way is becasue - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:20:38
                                             These kind of people have no relationship with - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:22:29
                                                  Stop using your faith like a weapon or a divisive tool of - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:30:17
                                                       You now understand why he believes as fact. You are - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:32:04
                                                            No, I already know he believes. to put it all on "faith" an - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:34:34
                                                                 I'm trying to help you, if you want it. If not, then that's - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:35:31
                                                                      why not focus on the post I just made. To state you - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:44:18
                                                                           Sooo..offer still stands (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 14:09:41
                                                                                you're in no position to offer any such thing, check your - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 14:15:31
                                                  Such is the miracle of faith and the fruits of the Spirit - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:29:23
                                                       Not really. You were trained and taught, 4Tigs. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:31:46
                                                            On that, we will agree to disagree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:34:07
                                                                 good post, 4tigs (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:44:56
                                                            If you seek to know, just ask(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:33:34
                                                                 I surely hope you aren't suggesting that I ask you. The - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:41:59
               I agree(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:10:25
     So do you think that you changed her mind? Her votes? (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/22 13:04:10
          I don't know, and that wasn't my aim - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:09:13
               you should go have coffee with pickle and discuss the - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:13:36
                    He would make me pay for the coffee - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:17:09
               Hopefully it would have some effect over time. It is - JeffB MU - 1/22 13:11:17
                    or indoctrination from a church. that too is incredibly - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:52:22
                         Parents generally teach their children, including their - JeffB MU - 1/22 14:35:03




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