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Agree on being glad she is in church

Posted on: January 22, 2018 at 13:07:39 CT

4TigersinMichigan MU

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And we confessional Lutherans believe in Scripture alone, Grace alone, Faith alone.

God said it. We believe it. That settles it.

But before people freak, I remind you what I have said many times. It is all about faith. I cannot prove it nor can I convince anyone. Only the Word can accomplish that. What I believe to be fact is just that. It is what I believe to be fact. Although I am firmly convinced the day will come when all will know.

Edited by 4TigersinMichigan at 13:08:07 on 01/22/18

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I had a sweet recent college grad tell me over coffee - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:00:32

lol - pickle MU

- 1/22 14:04:54

Bwahaha... reason? At a church? ROFLMAO - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:20:01

Would you laugh if it was at a mosque, or - hokie VT - 1/22 13:37:12

I would (and do) laugh at all religion. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:40:39

Your belief that 'there is no God' is itself a belief, of - JeffB MU

- 1/22 15:47:19

Here's the text of the Constitution... - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:56:42

Here's the text of the word of Almighty God, who owns the - MizzouTigerz MU

- 1/22 15:20:53

What an idiotic statement. Two incompatible concepts - hokie VT - 1/22 13:48:02

I feel sorry for you and those you call loved ones. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:50:57

Explain how you have the right to be free from religion, - hokie VT - 1/22 13:56:41

Freedom FROM religion is literally freedom from government - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:58:21

That is ridiculous, not to mention stupid. The current - hokie VT - 1/22 14:07:27

Wow... really? - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:31:22

You read the books, but didn’t understand them. You say that - hokie VT - 1/22 14:39:35

I've thought about this a lot, as an academic - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:43:03

Academic. Teaching jr high? Hopefully no one with - hokie VT - 1/22 15:10:21

I teach at the university level. And run a research lab - paleojas MU - 1/22 15:20:22

God help us. nm - hokie VT - 1/22 15:22:59

why should the fed gvmt be funding research or human - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 14:50:03

That is a different discussion... - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:56:17

there are no good arguments in favor of it. it's not - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 15:10:41

Do you value your health? Or should we leave health research - paleojas MU - 1/22 15:18:10

No, freedom of religion is just that. If our founders had - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 13:47:38

Read the constitution, my friend - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:49:15

That does not say you have freedom FROM religion - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/22 14:22:43

Literally says we have freedom FROM state-sponsored religion - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:40:09

Good for you, Quit trying to coerce Christians to do things - Uncle Fester USMC - 1/22 13:45:50

I would LOVE it if you left non-Christians alone - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:52:58

Hey, you are up to 360 posts in 16.53 years...good job!(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:42:26

Thanks. You trump idiots made me start posting again - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:45:46

Bye (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:46:31

Struck a nerve, huh? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:47:47

Sensitive, huh? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:47:10

No, happy to run ya off(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:47:33

How's that' going for ya? I'm still here - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:48:10

Oh goody...bring it on son (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:52:04

Son... hahaha... - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:53:26

He'd laugh....his head off (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:40:16

Faith and reason go hand in hand. Atheism, on the other - JeffB MU

- 1/22 13:33:43

lol (nm) - pickle MU

- 1/22 14:06:23

What a garbage article. Assume god exists, there is still - TigerMatt STL - 1/22 13:45:44

The article demonstrated what it set out to demonstrate, - JeffB MU

- 1/22 14:05:10

it's garbage - pickle MU

- 1/22 14:13:56

Wrong on all counts, pickle. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 1/22 14:22:04

no, Jeff. you really don't know anything about logic - pickle MU

- 1/22 14:54:41

Perhaps you think you know more than Professor Peter Kreeft, - JeffB MU

- 1/22 15:36:41

You couldn't tell it was garbage just from the URL? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:46:51

The point is absurd. The article proved what it set out to - JeffB MU

- 1/22 14:11:13

Your straw man is also absurd here, my friend. - paleojas MU - 1/22 14:46:13

You replied to TigerMatt, saying that - JeffB MU

- 1/22 15:04:19

I prefer to think of myself as having thought through - paleojas MU - 1/22 15:10:34

If you have thought through religion to the point that you - JeffB MU

- 1/22 15:29:42

The laws of thermodynamics apply to systems in vacuums - paleojas MU - 1/22 17:00:43

The phrase you are searching for is 'closed system' not - JeffB MU

- 1/22 17:31:27

A vacuum is a closed system. Thanks for your input. - paleojas MU - 1/23 08:03:15

what if one is neither faithful nor an atheist, Jeff? One - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:39:41

'Why is faith a virtue and delusion derided?' - because - JeffB MU

- 1/22 13:58:36

circular horse$hit reasoning right out of the gate. - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 14:02:53

No, you asked a question & I answered it. The argument - JeffB MU

- 1/22 14:25:13

it's impossible (nm) - pickle MU

- 1/22 14:06:46

you think people can't be rational about some things - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:27:57

Indeed, I will listen to an Atheists political views - Uncle Fester USMC - 1/22 13:32:18

They can be - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:30:14

no it isn't, because he wasn't talking about religion with - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:31:07

ok... you changed my mind. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:32:42

congratulations (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:33:27

Thank you for the reasoned input - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:21:28

You're welcome - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:24:55

Was it hard making that spreadsheet of handles all - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:28:15

Who do you think I am? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:29:18

Well, a fool comes to mind, immediately (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:30:43

Any specific one you have in mind? - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:31:08

Too many doubles and don't play dumb(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:32:34

Only one dumb here is you, pal. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:33:26

Struck a nerve, huh? (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:33:58

Hey JP! Weird way to hit on dudes on the - Le Tigre - 1/22 13:36:10

There are more than a few gays on this board. Just FYI - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:37:44

You wish you did. But I'm calm. - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:35:14

Sensitive, huh? (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:35:50

haha - paleojas MU - 1/22 13:37:03

Perhaps if a significant amount of that tax rebate went to - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/22 13:23:43

I think you have at least a couple of false premises in ther - JeffB MU

- 1/22 13:37:26

Where do the "tax funds" go? Mars? (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/22 13:35:23

nobody mentioned the economy. tax reductions keep - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:28:47

I never said they went back into the economy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:27:58

Ironic and unlikely to be a true story to boot - JG MU

- 1/22 13:16:42

ah, the joy of OPM and what good "we" can do with it (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:07:57

Always much easier to do good with OPM - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:08:36

it would make me feel so good if the gvmt taxed the rich - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:12:31

Careful - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:14:18

The lib brain is both marvelous and depressing to behold.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/22 13:05:02

I'm glad she's in church and hope she listens and that - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:04:19

Agree on being glad she is in church - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:07:39

since you mentioned it - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:11:24

It is why in matters of faith I work so hard to be clear - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:13:24

but by saying "I Believe......it to be fact" it makes - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:14:25

Because if I recall, that discussion was specific to facts - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:16:25

it means you believe it. adding "believe it is a fact" - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:18:55

So you should let it go(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:21:15

why? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:29:03

Because I am making you look like Schumer - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:30:02

Again, the only reason I said it that way is becasue - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:20:38

These kind of people have no relationship with - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:22:29

Stop using your faith like a weapon or a divisive tool of - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:30:17

You now understand why he believes as fact. You are - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:32:04

No, I already know he believes. to put it all on "faith" an - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:34:34

I'm trying to help you, if you want it. If not, then that's - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:35:31

why not focus on the post I just made. To state you - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:44:18

Sooo..offer still stands (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 14:09:41

you're in no position to offer any such thing, check your - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 14:15:31

Such is the miracle of faith and the fruits of the Spirit - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:29:23

Not really. You were trained and taught, 4Tigs. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:31:46

On that, we will agree to disagree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:34:07

good post, 4tigs (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:44:56

If you seek to know, just ask(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:33:34

I surely hope you aren't suggesting that I ask you. The - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:41:59

I agree(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/22 13:10:25

So do you think that you changed her mind? Her votes? (nm) - JeffB MU

- 1/22 13:04:10

I don't know, and that wasn't my aim - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:09:13

you should go have coffee with pickle and discuss the - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:13:36

He would make me pay for the coffee - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/22 13:17:09

Hopefully it would have some effect over time. It is - JeffB MU

- 1/22 13:11:17

or indoctrination from a church. that too is incredibly - 90Tiger MU - 1/22 13:52:22

Parents generally teach their children, including their - JeffB MU

- 1/22 14:35:03

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