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Posted on: January 9, 2018 at 10:37:04 CT
DC Jayhawk KU
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I would contend that we should consider that the immigration from other countries *may* *be* *a* *direct* *result* of our meddling overseas.

We funneled arms, sent military advisors, and delivered millions of dollars to El Salvador in the 1980s to back a heinous leader. It took time for the country to re-stabilize, but during that time, violence escalated. Not surprisingly, tens of thousands of civilians died and those who could, fled to the United States.

Maybe we should ask what role we had in enabling the conflict, the subsequent years of instability, and if it's morally right to forcibly send people back there.

It is my position that the overwhelming majority of Salvadorans are working to better their lives and appreciate very much the opportunities they have here. To make them leave is appalling to me.

Edited by DC Jayhawk at 10:38:15 on 01/09/18
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Discussing immigration with DCJayhawk below, it seems that - hokie VT - 1/9 10:15:51
     Because some of the refugees and illegals are good productiv - JeffB MU - 1/9 10:41:19
          Disagree totally, for two main reasons. First, - hokie VT - 1/9 10:57:46
               You are making some of the very points I made... - JeffB MU - 1/9 11:33:35
               RE: Disagree totally, for two main reasons. First, - ummmm MU - 1/9 11:06:22
                    I do not blame them for leaving and a vast majority are a - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/9 11:34:51
                         RE: I do not blame them for leaving and a vast majority are a - ummmm MU - 1/9 11:41:53
                              You fail to accept that nations are simply a collective of - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/9 11:59:39
                                   RE: You fail to accept that nations are simply a collective of - ummmm MU - 1/9 13:50:11
                                        Thank you for telling me what I think. Like most everything - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/9 14:28:49
                                             I mean, you realize that part of the "melting pot" concept - ummmm MU - 1/9 14:38:32
                                             RE: Thank you for telling me what I think. Like most everything - ummmm MU - 1/9 14:36:57
                    people talk out of their ass so damn much - pickle MU - 1/9 11:12:18
                         RE: people talk out of their ass so damn much - JeffB MU - 1/9 11:26:06
               you are not a good person (nm) - pickle MU - 1/9 10:59:44
     "we" shouldn't be anything. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/9 10:32:36
          Does that not presuppose no government of a nation with a - JeffB MU - 1/9 10:48:23
               In those words, yes. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/9 10:49:06
     This is completely false and ignorant - pickle MU - 1/9 10:31:44
     Very few lib positions are not inconsistent or - GA Tiger MU - 1/9 10:26:07
          I think we disagree on the extent to which we - hokie VT - 1/9 10:46:23
               My point would be mainly that while help may be - GA Tiger MU - 1/9 11:30:40
               this is why you aren't a conservative - pickle MU - 1/9 11:01:47
          you describe yourself again (nm) - pickle MU - 1/9 10:37:20
     Feel free to mischaracterize what you wish. - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/9 10:21:52
          Your point is fair . I did not mean to suggest that you - hokie VT - 1/9 10:26:14
               Then in that regard, - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/9 10:37:04
                    I question the extent to which our involvement in El Salvado - hokie VT - 1/9 11:08:29
                         It wasn't all roses. - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/9 13:11:35
                    Can we please drop the "we" and "our"? - pickle MU - 1/9 10:51:45
                         It's habit and laziness. - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/9 10:56:34
                              We the people...are the country. Nm - hokie VT - 1/9 11:10:15
                                   Including "illegal" immigrants? (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/9 11:16:21
                                        Of course not. American citizens are part of WE. Not - hokie VT - 1/9 11:21:06
                                             how does an infant owe allegiance to anyone? - pickle MU - 1/9 11:36:06
                                             But you said "people". (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/9 11:31:19
                                   no (nm) - pickle MU - 1/9 11:12:55
                              US is just as many characters as we - pickle MU - 1/9 11:00:33
                                   I need to remind you - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/9 11:02:15
                    Here's a good article which is consistent with your points: - ummmm MU - 1/9 10:46:14
                    Agree(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/9 10:44:15
     God damn you are such a drama queen - MrBlueSky MU - 1/9 10:16:45
          Pathetic and typical. Don't debate, just call someone a - hokie VT - 1/9 10:22:29
               Here's the reverse question to you: - ummmm MU - 1/9 10:36:57
                    My fault, I thought you had basic comprehension skills. - hokie VT - 1/9 11:16:31
                         Pretty funny that you would accuse me of reading - ummmm MU - 1/9 11:46:23
                         You didn't ask a question - pickle MU - 1/9 11:45:33
                    why is foreign welfare good and domestic welfare bad? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/9 10:38:03
                         Foreign welfare (military intervention and aid) - MrBlueSky MU - 1/9 10:42:23
               more irony (nm) - pickle MU - 1/9 10:32:08
                    See mirror(nm) - tman KC - 1/9 10:35:43
               You call anyone wanting to come into this country "illegals" - MrBlueSky MU - 1/9 10:27:15
                    No, I call people who come here illegally, "illegals. " You - hokie VT - 1/9 10:33:21
                         always reaching new heights in irony (nm) - pickle MU - 1/9 10:38:50
               he can't explain - FootballRefugee MU - 1/9 10:23:26
                    You didn't need the word "most"(nm) - tman KC - 1/9 10:26:09




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