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Well let's change the terms of the discussion a little bit

Posted on: December 5, 2017 at 13:57:54 CT
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Let's say the 5 year old is my daughter. Am I morally wrong for saving my 5 year old daughter in that situation? Does the fact that I saved my daughter mean that those babies have no innate value? Of course not.

You're ignoring the point that was made that:

A) Living creatures have innate value
B) Just because a 5 year old girl has value over the unborn doesn't mean that they don't have value

The author of the tweets used the 10,000 number to attempt to muddle the issue by turning it into a math problem. "Well, exactly how MUCH is an unborn life worth". It doesn't work that way. All living human beings have worth and value.

Also consider this: In this thought experiment I have no agency in the situation: I didn't cause the fire and I didn't put anyone at risk through my actions or inactions. If you replace the unborn in the example with other family members, and I ran in to a burning building and was able to save the 5 year old, her mom and her little brother but I couldn't save her dad, I would rightly be thought of as a hero. The father died through no fault of my own.

Now let's look at abortion. The woman/couple is ACTIVELY participating in putting their unborn baby at risk. THEY are starting the fire! This isn't a situation that was just thrust upon them; they have a moral obligation through the sheer fact that it is THEIR DECISION TO ENDANGER THE BABY IN THE FIRST PLACE. This is another area in which the "experiment" just breaks down.

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     How about legislating vasectomies for men? - limenats MU - 12/5 13:02:01
          Men don't get pregnant. Women need to be smarter - Spanky KU - 12/5 13:23:08
          Satanists and eugenicists are probably applauding your plan(nm) - JeffB MU - 12/5 13:04:04
               If legislators can decide what a woman can and can't do - limenats MU - 12/5 13:05:23
                    Are you really so far out of touch with reality that you - JeffB MU - 12/5 13:14:28
                         "so far out of touch with reality - pickle MU - 12/5 13:45:44
                              That drew you in like a moth to a flame, didn't it? (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/5 13:48:10
                         I'm making the point that men are almost exclusively - limenats MU - 12/5 13:20:10
                              No, the legislation is prohibiting killing someone else's - JeffB MU - 12/5 13:29:27
                                   RE: No, the legislation is prohibiting killing someone else's - limenats MU - 12/5 13:46:45
                                        I had not seen it before seeing your link below. I think it - JeffB MU - 12/5 14:51:24
                                             That's the point, yes. - limenats MU - 12/5 15:31:40
                                                  Would you agree that if the fetus is a human being that it - JeffB MU - 12/5 16:24:14
                                                       An embryo isn't considered a fetus until eight weeks after - limenats MU - 12/5 16:40:53
                                                            It would be immoral to kill a fetus if it was a human being' - JeffB MU - 12/5 17:42:48
                                                  It is an incorrect point then. - JeffB MU - 12/5 16:22:58
                                                       A couple things... - limenats MU - 12/5 16:51:34
                                                            and there is a difference between a newborn and a toddler, - JeffB MU - 12/5 17:54:49
                    You're forgetting one key part, on purpose I think(nm) - LimerNick MU - 12/5 13:06:00
                         Which is? - limenats MU - 12/5 13:06:31
                              In case you are being serious (which you are not) - LimerNick MU - 12/5 13:12:12
                                   I was being serious actually so thanks for explaining - limenats MU - 12/5 13:16:21
                                        For the sake of brevity I will link Ben Shapiro's response - LimerNick MU - 12/5 13:30:49
                                             So, when you said the woman is not the only human being - limenats MU - 12/5 13:44:57
                                                  Well let's change the terms of the discussion a little bit - LimerNick MU - 12/5 13:57:54
                                                       It's an interesting discussion. - limenats MU - 12/5 14:19:21
                                                            A few points to finish up, because I have work to do - LimerNick MU - 12/5 14:45:37
                                                                 I have to stop you at number 1. - limenats MU - 12/5 15:09:25
                                                                      False conclusion... - JeffB MU - 12/5 15:17:03
                                                                           Shapiro acknowledges he would save the child over the 1000 - limenats MU - 12/5 15:21:12
     The GOP loves the unborn... - Gyro MU - 12/5 12:54:52
          RE: The GOP loves the unborn flag to rally - catbirdseat MU - 12/5 13:01:40
               Indeed. They are very good at manipulating the unread... - Gyro MU - 12/5 13:03:53
                    Forget the diversionary tactics... Do you believe that the - JeffB MU - 12/5 13:07:44
                         Yes - catbirdseat MU - 12/5 13:48:48
                              Yes to both questions? Free abortions? Free food, shelter, - JeffB MU - 12/5 14:56:31
          That's a lie. Does it make you feel better at night? (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/5 12:59:52
               It's absolute truth(nm) - Gyro MU - 12/5 13:05:12
                    It's a lie. 'The GOP' is made up of millions of people with - JeffB MU - 12/5 13:11:39
                         You seem to have your mind set on this issue... - Gyro MU - 12/5 13:16:05
                              I am open to having my mind changed if somehow I have - JeffB MU - 12/5 13:37:05
                                   Abortion is legal in our country, that's the flaw in your... - Gyro MU - 12/5 13:39:29
                                        No, you are ignoring THE argument, and asserting a false - JeffB MU - 12/5 13:47:20




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