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It isn’t really useful for a historical document if one

Posted on: November 18, 2023 at 15:01:17 CT
TigerMatt STL
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is looking for an approximation of objective history. That just was not a concept that existed until post enlightenment.

The book of Joshua for instance, the author describes battles roughly 180 years apart but uses a literary technique called telescoping to present the battles as having occurred within the lifetime of Joshua.
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Hokie, have you ever challenged your beliefs? Have - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 10:53:45
     He watches when a FoxNews show has a liberal commentator - CulturedDan MU - 11/18 12:53:22
     What is thr lsst subject you challenged yourself on - tman MU - 11/18 11:28:06
          Abortion. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/18 14:08:04
          Easy.. God/Christianity. I’ve read books by Daniel Dennett - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 11:31:08
               Did Dennett draw you to the conclusion that there is no God? - Spanky KU - 11/18 12:26:12
                    No. I was already an atheist. They were just re-enforcing - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 12:59:41
                         one thing i don't understand at all is the concept of "Faith - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 13:18:48
                              No matter how much philosophy, science and theology - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 14:37:34
                                   RE: No matter how much philosophy, science and theology - sarasotatiger MU - 11/20 06:58:41
                                   So are you saying science disproves a 6 day - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 14:45:59
                                        RE: So are you saying science disproves a 6 day - sarasotatiger MU - 11/20 07:05:35
                                        disproves? - pickle MU - 11/18 15:17:42
                                             I can’t just from the text alone. Not including evidence - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 16:42:33
                                        I don’t believe in a 6 day creation because the text - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 14:58:03
                                             RE: I don’t believe in a 6 day creation because the text - sarasotatiger MU - 11/19 04:21:28
                                             How does the text argue against it?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 15:00:14
                                                  Genesis 1. Each creative day follows a specific formula - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 15:07:29
                                                       Or the text says what it clearly says - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 15:13:19
                                                            lmfao (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 21:18:02
                                                            oh, then it must be true - pickle MU - 11/18 15:18:55
                                                            It doesn’t though. You cannot ignore the structure of the - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 15:17:47
                                                                 Yes, on day 1 he created the earth and light - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 15:21:12
                                                                      No. That is not what the text says. Day 1 is the creation - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 15:26:15
                                                                           And in subsequent days, as laid out clearly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 15:29:58
                                                                                When were the sun and moon created? Day 4. What does the - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 15:41:23
                                                                                     God said "Let there be light" and there was light - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 15:44:57
                                                                                          You’re talking about an ancient text written to an ancient - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 16:01:58
                                                                                               No sun for another 3 days and yet there was light - KC rules MU - 11/18 17:13:55
                                                                                               So how long do you think it took for God - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 16:04:28
                                                                                                    The Earth formed roughly 9 billion years after the - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 16:41:25
                                                                                                         So what other parts of Scripture do you totally - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 16:43:40
                                                                                                              I don’t discount Genesis 1 at all. Just your flawed - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 17:09:53
                                                                                                                   So once you discount what God tells us He did - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 17:16:39
                                                                                                                        That's not a fair retelling of his argument. - CulturedDan MU - 11/18 20:30:51
                                                                                                                        I discount YOUR interpretation. YOUR interpretation was - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 17:50:04
                                                                                                                             And that is how false doctrine begins - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 18:12:03
                                                                                                                                  Rejecting YOUR interpretation is not discounting the Bible. - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 18:30:13
                                                                                                                                       Said every heretic in Church history - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 18:33:47
                                                                                                                                            Retarded. You aren’t God. Your interpretation is not - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 00:09:30
                                                                                no (nm) - pickle MU - 11/18 15:38:28
                                        no (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 14:46:54
                                             Answering for others now - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 14:47:59
                                                  it was a hunch (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 14:52:22
                                   the scary part for me is how utterly convinced and emotional - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 14:45:21
                              RE: one thing i don't understand at all is the concept of "Faith - sarasotatiger MU - 11/18 14:08:53
                                   I got to travel to Israel with Dr. Bailey, 2 of our - tigerinhogtown STL - 11/19 10:41:52
                                   i have no issue with the bible as a historical document (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 14:46:27
                                        It isn’t really useful for a historical document if one - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 15:01:17
                                             that it is an historical document (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 21:25:17
                              the faith portion has more to do with what is to come - tigerinhogtown STL - 11/18 14:08:07
                         Got it. - Spanky KU - 11/18 13:01:54
               Have you always been an anti Semite? Nm - hokie VT - 11/18 11:40:39
                    The question of an ignoramous. I love Jewish history. - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 12:05:04
                    dude, can we just discuss our differences - tigerinhogtown STL - 11/18 11:43:51
                         Dude, does he know that? Nm - hokie VT - 11/18 11:56:14
                              everyone but you and a few others know this (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 12:26:08
               Good for you and did it change anything you previously - tman MU - 11/18 11:34:42
                    I used to be an atheist. I am not anymore. But I - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 12:03:38
     Of course, I'm not 20 anymore. My beliefs have changed, - hokie VT - 11/18 11:26:57
          Well. You act like you are 20 then - meatiger MU - 11/18 11:30:21
          Can you cite some libertarian or liberal viewpoint books - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 11:28:15
               I don't read political books, I read historical fiction - hokie VT - 11/18 11:45:05
                    Did you take time to read this the other day? - ummmm MU - 11/18 14:03:37
                    Historical fiction. Lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/18 12:34:55
                    i don’t believe you - pickle MU - 11/18 12:08:11
                    Israel =/= Jews. If you can’t grasp that.you haven’t - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 12:07:14
     It's one of the charms of this place - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 11:00:13
          watching NBC to gather your outrage isn't what - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 12:58:44
          Watching TV is not actually researching a topic.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 11:08:15
          people here have had their minds/views changed - pickle MU - 11/18 11:03:50
               Yes. I am one(nm) - Panthera MU - 11/18 22:42:08
               And it's not a "cult" as is popular to say on here. - ummmm MU - 11/18 14:05:38
               I used to mock you and 90Tiger.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 11:16:52
                    I did not like pickle and especially despised ashtray - CulturedDan MU - 11/18 12:54:46
                         1. pepper cheese, green pepper, turkey, bacon - pickle MU - 11/18 12:56:56
                              Degeneracy (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 13:01:00
                                   RE: Degeneracy (nm) - pickle MU - 11/18 13:07:21
                                        To be honest I’d try your #1 and #2 as well. Anything as - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 14:40:53
                                             You’ll love yourself for it (nm) - pickle MU - 11/18 14:50:59
                                        Now those are toppings I can support.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 13:16:45
                              15(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 11/18 12:57:38
                                   RE: 15(nm) - pickle MU - 11/18 13:13:22
                    and I used to mock pickle (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 12:27:30
                    Nick changing lives - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 11:20:37
                         it's funny how defensive and antagonistic you get if - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 12:29:39
                              This is a valid point - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/18 14:51:59
                              and to the point where he has to craft lies and fantasies - pickle MU - 11/18 12:49:12
               Pretty full of yourself. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/18 11:15:27
                    you are incapable of comprehending even the most - 90Tiger STL - 11/18 12:30:18
                         Oh you missed the subtext of him patting himself on the - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/18 15:10:01
                    pickle used to be pretty much a neocon(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/18 11:17:28
                         i never said i was the cause or reason - pickle MU - 11/18 11:25:57




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