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there was no evidence presented. there was hearsay that was

Posted on: July 23, 2018 at 11:05:42 CT
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3 to 4 times removed from the original source presented as fact. there was circular confirmation presented as corroboration. the same FBI who presented it as fact in the affidavit also claimed it was salacious and unverified and then after a legit attempt to verify it the best they could say was it was minimally verified. whatever that means.

the affidavit is riddled with speculations presented as facts.

and make no mistake, despite the left's attempt to say the dossier wasn't the basis of the FISA warrant, it absolutely is. there's literally nothing else but the dossier in the affidavit when you take into account the articles are from the same source.

i have seen several Dems say this is probable cause which is less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt and therefore the FISA warrant meets the legal standard.

if you are of the opinion that 4th hand hearsay, that's never corroborated, qualifies as probable cause ie a set of facts and circumstances that lead a reasonable person to believe a specific person committed a specific crime then I really don't know that we'll ever see eye to eye.

based on my experience I don't believe it comes even arguably close. i can assure you from the probably 1,000 probable cause statements I've written and 100's of search warrants I've written the manner in which the affiant of the FISA warrant presented his PC would have got me laughed out of a judge's chambers if I ever made it that far b/c presumably the prosecutor would have caught it first.

that this thing sailed through the FBI and DOJ tells you that not only can a prosecutor indict a ham sandwich they can also get a FISA warrant on a ham sandwich.

when the target is an American citizen and the stakes are spying on that American citizen I think the bar should be MUCH, MUCH, MUCH higher.

Edited by blake1771 at 11:16:03 on 07/23/18
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     The FISA warrant does not specifically name names on - KenMan33 MU - 7/23 11:26:08
          you actually prove our point. why did the affiant throw - blake1771 KC - 7/23 11:27:27
               It spells it out that research was done to discredit Trump's - KenMan33 MU - 7/23 11:46:01
                    The courts do not operate off assumptions - Sal KC - 7/23 11:56:23
                    Oops (nm) - Badird MU - 7/23 11:47:04
     this paragraph is so damning as to be comical - 90Tiger MU - 7/23 11:07:54
          all part of the normal process - TB liberals (nm) - Sal KC - 7/23 11:12:01
     Not so much - raskolnikov MU - 7/23 10:53:34
          the judges don't independently verify the data, dimwit. the - 90Tiger MU - 7/23 11:09:24
               It's amazing how many liberals think this is what happens (nm) - Sal KC - 7/23 11:11:17
          no so much what? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/23 11:08:11
          RE: Not so much - Spanky KU - 7/23 10:56:13
               He can't get past the fact that FISC judges - Sal KC - 7/23 10:57:29
                    all this really proves is the system is broken. if 4th hand - blake1771 KC - 7/23 11:09:20
                         it shows you the egregious overreach of federal powers (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/23 11:47:00
                         yep (nm) - Sal KC - 7/23 11:19:06
          Judges don't verify information provided to them (nm) - Sal KC - 7/23 10:55:12
     It clearly does not(nm) - TheShoe STL - 7/23 10:31:12
          Either you can't read or are retarded then - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 7/23 10:45:17
               Likely both can't read and is retarded - mu7176grad MU - 7/23 10:52:09
          It does though - Sal KC - 7/23 10:40:04
               The warrant application clearly stated that the FBI - tigerdb MU - 7/23 10:49:44
                    What half-truths were in the Nunes memo? (nm) - Sal KC - 7/23 10:51:54
                         Read the Nunez memo - it was half truths - tigerdb MU - 7/23 10:57:25
                              they could have thought it was the Free Beacon. - blake1771 KC - 7/23 11:34:09
                              The information clearly supports the Nunes memo - Sal KC - 7/23 10:58:53
                                   Do you think that 4 GOP judges are so STUPID that they - tigerdb MU - 7/23 11:04:05
                                        can you point out the testimony from Steele or Simpson that - blake1771 KC - 7/23 11:40:25
                                             To the best of my knowledge, neither Steele nor Simpson have - tigerdb MU - 7/23 11:49:01
                                        RE: Do you think that 4 GOP judges are so STUPID that they - 90Tiger MU - 7/23 11:10:42
                                             Your links are worthless teetee. - tigerdb MU - 7/23 11:13:47
                                                  You're simply ignorant of process here and now boasting - 90Tiger MU - 7/23 11:16:28
                                                       and you're simply a stupid partisan hack teetee. - tigerdb MU - 7/23 11:27:36
                                                            It's astonishing how you're contorting to justify obvious - 90Tiger MU - 7/23 11:45:56
                                                            It left out some key points though - Sal KC - 7/23 11:28:57
                                                                 such as? (nm) - tigerdb MU - 7/23 11:33:58
                                                                      read it. also ask yourself why the DOJ and FBI would - 90Tiger MU - 7/23 11:47:58
                                                                           I read it dumb ****...the warrant application clearly stated - tigerdb MU - 7/23 11:53:22
                                                                                it didn't state who funded it, why? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/23 12:18:14
                                                                                     Perhaps because it was unknown teetee. - tigerdb MU - 7/23 12:25:11
                                                                                It did not stated who funded it (nm) - Sal KC - 7/23 11:57:05
                                                                                     and this is a perfect example of why Nunez's memo is simply - tigerdb MU - 7/23 12:13:17
                                                                      Can you read? - Sal KC - 7/23 11:42:23
                                                       It's fun to watch though (nm) - Sal KC - 7/23 11:17:01
                                                  The basis for your argument is so wrong it's hilarious(nm) - Sal KC - 7/23 11:14:12
                                        The court does not make assumptions - Sal KC - 7/23 11:05:22
                                             The FBI's assumption for the reason for the research was - tigerdb MU - 7/23 11:11:17
                                                  JFC. Assumptions =/= facts which is all - Sal KC - 7/23 11:12:52
                                                       Yes, you're making an ASSUMPTION that Steele knew for - tigerdb MU - 7/23 11:21:34
                                                            I never once made that assumption - Sal KC - 7/23 11:23:04
          Why don't you take a couple minutes and state - Spanky KU - 7/23 10:35:23
               lol, no - TheShoe STL - 7/23 10:38:01
                    YOUR post was editorial trash. The OP went paragraph - Spanky KU - 7/23 10:41:52
                         RE: YOUR post was editorial trash. The OP went paragraph - TheShoe STL - 7/23 10:43:17
                              Here are some points in that article - Sal KC - 7/23 10:50:27
                                   Yep.... it was a drivel article by a lazy Dem-Lib - Spanky KU - 7/23 10:53:39
                                        Same magazine wrote an article kissing Elizabeth Warrens ass - Calca STL - 7/23 11:23:15
                              Now THAT was editorial nonsense - Spanky KU - 7/23 10:46:17
                    Just admit you're wrong - Sal KC - 7/23 10:41:19
                         I'm not wrong - TheShoe STL - 7/23 10:44:17
                              goddam you are dumb(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 7/23 10:45:55
                              Then provide the evidence - Sal KC - 7/23 10:45:08
          Good, in depth retort. Nm - redngray MU - 7/23 10:34:55
               Does it matter what any of us say? - TheShoe STL - 7/23 10:36:16
                    there was no evidence presented. there was hearsay that was - blake1771 KC - 7/23 11:05:42
                    Well, York went paragraph by paragraph and gave his - MUTGR MU - 7/23 10:42:17
                         That's too hard for shoe to read - Calca STL - 7/23 10:50:37
                    RE: Does it matter what any of us say? - redngray MU - 7/23 10:40:31
                         Like I said - TheShoe STL - 7/23 10:43:07
                              RE: Like I said - Sal KC - 7/23 11:14:51
     Are york and Rx LIMPfAuGh still butt buddies? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 7/23 10:28:23




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