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Probable cause comes within the context of searches

Posted on: February 1, 2018 at 12:23:05 CT
ummmm MU
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not "further investigation". You don't need probable cause to "further investigate", you need probable cause to search. Maybe I was giving you too much credit, in thinking you understood that much.

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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause , supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched , and the persons or things to be seized."
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JG: is a traffic violation in and of itself - pickle MU - 2/1 10:57:37
     I find myself in the strange position of defending JG. He - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/1 11:22:09
          I would rather decide who drives my car - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/1 11:57:46
          That is insane. - ummmm MU - 2/1 11:49:38
               The husband wife thing is ALMOST always - JG A - 2/1 12:03:58
                    My guess is that your employees had stories that did not - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/1 12:08:28
                    A lot of spouses don't have the same last name - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:06:55
                         Some . Not alot - JG A - 2/1 12:13:58
                              RE: Some . Not alot - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:17:02
                                   regrettably yes - JG A - 2/1 12:17:51
                                        Jesus. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:24:28
                                             You think people should always be allowed to do - JG A - 2/1 12:28:15
                                                  No, you call for rules and regulations against behavior - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:30:23
                                                       Link? - JG A - 2/1 12:42:30
                                                            Here you go - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:25:23
                                                  That is probably the biggest straw man argument I've ever - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:29:09
                                                       No. sorry - JG A - 2/1 12:41:56
                              What right do you have to tell others how they should act - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:15:28
                         Even if a spouse does not share a name if you are sharing - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/1 12:12:26
                              And what about fiancees/GFs/BFs that live apart? - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:15:29
                                   And I question your ability to read. My original statement - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/1 12:20:10
                                        Probable cause comes within the context of searches - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:23:05
                                             Really? You don’t believe probable cause can come from - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/1 12:46:17
                                                  I do believe probable cause can come from statements - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:50:11
                                   Sometimes thats what happens - JG A - 2/1 12:19:08
               RE: That is insane. - GA Tiger MU - 2/1 11:57:53
                    I don't know how many times I have to say it on this Board - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:01:27
                         yeah the car wasn't his property - JG A - 2/1 12:05:19
                              The car wasn't police property for them to search. - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:08:39
                              It wasn't the officer's property either. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:07:44
                                   The drug dude handed the cop a piece of paper that - JG A - 2/1 12:17:09
                                        It's a good thing he didn't hand the cop - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:24:06
                                        Civil breach of contract issue. Not an issue for - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:20:13
                                             Being in possession of property without the owner’s - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/1 12:22:30
                                                  As i said it is not their property to search. They - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:25:27
                                                       So by your estimation the only thing police can search is - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/1 12:50:17
               He's ****ing stupid - pickle MU - 2/1 11:51:57
          traffic stops are made on reasonable suspicion - Sal KC - 2/1 11:29:41
               clarification: vehicle stops can be made based - blake1771 KC - 2/1 11:31:08
                    It's magic! (nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 11:38:35
                    correct ... I should have said "typically" (nm) - Sal KC - 2/1 11:34:26
                    Thats what I said - JG A - 2/1 11:33:13
          "the first probable cause was the traffic stop" - pickle MU - 2/1 11:29:35
               I didn't backpedal - JG A - 2/1 11:31:51
                    You don't know the first thing about rights (nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 11:40:38
                         I'm fine with someone completely disconnected - JG A - 2/1 11:48:37
                    Actual rights is something for which you have - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 11:34:32
                         ...no knowledge (nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 11:41:01
                         LOL wrong again - JG A - 2/1 11:39:52
     if only there were a criminal defense lawyer in the house(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 2/1 11:01:55
          it's a philosophical question, not a legal one (nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 11:02:59
               So maybe the question should have been better worded(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/1 11:58:43
               Put your philosophy in one hand and $hit in the other... - DoltfromSTL MU - 2/1 11:17:41
                    wouldn't that work for any philosophy?(nm) - cnk ATL - 2/1 11:19:49
                         Yes, but especially pickle's (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 2/1 11:23:56
                              i was asking about JG's, not talking of mine - pickle MU - 2/1 11:30:16
               ah, another pointless exercise(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 2/1 11:03:32
                    Like a governtmentless society of natural rights (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/1 11:06:21
                         Have you seen all the stuff coming out of the trial of the - cnk ATL - 2/1 11:09:57
                              I am sure it's as bad as some of the Chicago crap. - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/1 11:35:17
                                   Freddie Gray - pickle MU - 2/1 11:39:16
                                        Drug dealer. - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/1 11:40:12
                                             they carried BB guns to plant on people in case they - cnk ATL - 2/1 11:59:13
                    just like criminal defense (nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 11:05:51
                         I am the defender against governmental tyranny - Iam4Mizzou MU - 2/1 11:07:55
     unless one violates the property of another, traffic - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/1 11:00:42
     NO tool - JG A - 2/1 11:00:42
          Was the vehicle reported stolen? There was no reason - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 11:28:29
               Thats your (and possibly the SC's) opinion - JG A - 2/1 11:35:04
                    Simple solution. Police contact rental company. - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 11:41:42
                         Thats not an unreasonable approach - JG A - 2/1 11:55:42
          Not enough to search a trunk - Spanky KU - 2/1 11:16:45
               Correct the traffic stop WAS NOT - JG A - 2/1 11:26:58
                    You borrow a friend's suv because you are going to - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 11:31:05
                         Equally possible - JG A - 2/1 11:39:11
                              Police cant make a phone call? They all have cell phones - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 11:46:45
                                   They don't need information on the owner - JG A - 2/1 11:51:48
                                        Tough titties. They can claim a reasonable attempt - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 11:56:38
          you are contradicting yourself - pickle MU - 2/1 11:05:18
               I grant the first phrase was worded incorrectly - JG A - 2/1 11:08:47
                    I'm singing and dancing? - pickle MU - 2/1 11:12:05
                         RE: I'm singing and dancing? - cnk ATL - 2/1 11:14:04
                         Yes - JG A - 2/1 11:13:37
          "The first probable cause was the traffic stop" (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/1 11:04:57
               Did the cop act appropriately because of the - JG A - 2/1 11:06:50




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