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The United States didn't exist then

Posted on: August 18, 2017 at 14:10:14 CT
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Washington couldn't possibly have had an allegiance to the United States. There wasn't one. And the United States of America that was born that he did become President of...was a brand spanking new country that allowed slavery everywhere inside of its borders. Just like the Confederate States of America was trying to become. Again, I'm not saying that as any sort of support or excuse for the Confederate flag. I'm saying it to point out that holding the United States flag up as this thing we should worship is arguably every bit as flawed.

Just as you say, freedom fighter vs. terrorist is a matter of perspective. I don't think any of the slaves that Thomas Jefferson owned considered Jefferson to have been a "freedom fighter," regardless of his role in helping found this "Land of the Free" of ours.

Edited by McMuffin at 14:10:48 on 08/18/17
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Are you for or against the removal of confederate statues? - KCT-BoneTiger A - 8/18 11:52:39
     I think that - o'lineydisciple MU - 8/18 13:48:29
     RE: Are you for or against the removal of confederate statues? - colonel angus beef KC - 8/18 13:14:37
     Who the hell has time to care about these types of "issues" - ripzou KC - 8/18 12:31:20
          Probably took a minute to type up his post - Hickeytime MU - 8/18 13:12:32
          These are distractions to keep you from focusing on the - HandBanana MU - 8/18 12:47:59
          Steve Bannon did, because it feeds Breitbart site traffic - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:37:41
     Opposed to the destruction of history - Tptiger MU - 8/18 12:31:15
          exactly, should we get rid of the holocaust museum - showme NWMSU - 8/18 13:39:54
     If the only reason is because of the slavery association - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:27:52
          Their status as slave owners is not the only reason. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 12:38:32
          Playing devil's advocate, the problem with that argument - TigerNuts KC - 8/18 12:37:09
               All Revolutionary War participants were defending slavery - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:45:01
                    Lee never owned any slaves(nm) - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/18 12:56:01
                         He most certainly did - Grasslands MU - 8/18 13:19:44
                         There's a lot of debate on Lee's views on slavery - McMuffin MU - 8/18 13:12:00
                              Soldiers under his command captured free blacks to sell as - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 13:17:02
                                   He also privately opposed the Confederacy early on - McMuffin MU - 8/18 13:23:56
                                        So he was, at best, a flip flopper who flipped to treason. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 13:30:26
                                             Well George Washington flipped to treason against Britain - McMuffin MU - 8/18 13:36:12
                                                  Treason in a vacuum isn't the issue. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 14:02:12
                                                       The United States didn't exist then - McMuffin MU - 8/18 14:10:14
                                                            No, it didn't exist. He made it exist. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 14:17:31
                                                                 Washington as President could have tried to ban slavery - McMuffin MU - 8/18 14:24:18
                                                                      K.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 15:06:41
          i know i learned my history from statues - TigerwTLP MU - 8/18 12:31:58
          opps...(nm) - Ken Bone STL - 8/18 12:29:28
          Opps - Zeaux MWSC - 8/18 12:28:55
               opps...(nm) - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:29:51
     against it - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:26:01
          what if people were removing gay statues? You'd be ecstatic(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:29:42
               lol...are there many gay statues?(nm) - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:30:44
                    you think David's penis is front & center on accident? - TigerwTLP MU - 8/18 12:33:41
                         people having penises in the same room as other penises - colonel angus beef KC - 8/18 13:23:36
                         David not here, man(nm) - Eggs MU - 8/18 12:39:50
                    hypothetically, you gay(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:32:26
                         how am i gay? you brought up gays - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:38:10
                              for Jennifer Lawrence I am. Why so defensive?!(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:41:30
                                   oh my(nm) - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:52:33
                                        are you uncomfortable by this?(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:56:47
                                             he just started rocking back and forth reading his bible - colonel angus beef KC - 8/18 13:09:17
                    1. Statue of Liberty 2. Abraham Lincoln - dangertim MU - 8/18 12:32:01
                         there is a statue of my Mom?(nm) - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:37:40
     I'm for the removal - Zeaux MWSC - 8/18 12:15:45
     I'm in favor of letting the public decide. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 12:12:35
     i for them being brought to life and taking over the - SabertoothTiger MU - 8/18 12:08:47
     thoroughly indifferent(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 8/18 12:07:37
     personally don't care - JG MU - 8/18 11:58:07
     I think they should be moved to one location - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 8/18 11:56:14
     I dont really give many sh*ts but I am more in favor of - hefeweizen MU - 8/18 11:56:05
          if those plaques are privately funded that would be a - MizzouAstro MU - 8/18 12:08:07
          Thank you.(nm) - Fool on the Hill MU - 8/18 12:00:29
     Couldn't really care either way. nm - Nebraska99 STL - 8/18 11:55:10
          List of Missouri confederate monuments and spaces - KCT-BoneTiger A - 8/18 12:07:01




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