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If the only reason is because of the slavery association

Posted on: August 18, 2017 at 12:27:52 CT
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then I think you should just stop having statues from the entire slavery period in American history. Jefferson did own slaves. So did Ulysses Grant etc. Most of the impoverished rural schmoes on either side of the Civil War didn't own slaves - but most of them, including the ones who fought for the North, were racist in terms of thinking that even if freed, blacks should not be treated as equals.

In other words, the "confederate = slavery = bad" reason to get rid of all traces of confederate history is way too simplistic. Our country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free. Some of them were from South Carolina. Some of them were from Massachusetts. But they all were part of a slave owning culture at the start.

If we want to stop celebrating that aspect of our history by getting rid of statues, targeting just the confederate ones won't cut it. You would indeed need to get rid of statues of Thomas Jefferson and the like as well. And if that's the direction we want to go, so be it, I'm neutral on that. But I think projecting everything onto the confederate statues alone is too skewed a view of what our history really is.

Edited by McMuffin at 12:32:58 on 08/18/17
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     I think that - o'lineydisciple MU - 8/18 13:48:29
     RE: Are you for or against the removal of confederate statues? - colonel angus beef KC - 8/18 13:14:37
          Probably took a minute to type up his post - Hickeytime MU - 8/18 13:12:32
          These are distractions to keep you from focusing on the - HandBanana MU - 8/18 12:47:59
          Steve Bannon did, because it feeds Breitbart site traffic - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:37:41
     Opposed to the destruction of history - Tptiger MU - 8/18 12:31:15
          exactly, should we get rid of the holocaust museum - showme NWMSU - 8/18 13:39:54
     If the only reason is because of the slavery association - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:27:52
          Their status as slave owners is not the only reason. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 12:38:32
          Playing devil's advocate, the problem with that argument - TigerNuts KC - 8/18 12:37:09
               All Revolutionary War participants were defending slavery - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:45:01
                    Lee never owned any slaves(nm) - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/18 12:56:01
                         He most certainly did - Grasslands MU - 8/18 13:19:44
                         There's a lot of debate on Lee's views on slavery - McMuffin MU - 8/18 13:12:00
                              Soldiers under his command captured free blacks to sell as - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 13:17:02
                                   He also privately opposed the Confederacy early on - McMuffin MU - 8/18 13:23:56
                                        So he was, at best, a flip flopper who flipped to treason. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 13:30:26
                                             Well George Washington flipped to treason against Britain - McMuffin MU - 8/18 13:36:12
                                                  Treason in a vacuum isn't the issue. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 14:02:12
                                                       The United States didn't exist then - McMuffin MU - 8/18 14:10:14
                                                            No, it didn't exist. He made it exist. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 14:17:31
                                                                 Washington as President could have tried to ban slavery - McMuffin MU - 8/18 14:24:18
                                                                      K.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 15:06:41
          i know i learned my history from statues - TigerwTLP MU - 8/18 12:31:58
          opps...(nm) - Ken Bone STL - 8/18 12:29:28
          Opps - Zeaux MWSC - 8/18 12:28:55
               opps...(nm) - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:29:51
     against it - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:26:01
          what if people were removing gay statues? You'd be ecstatic(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:29:42
               lol...are there many gay statues?(nm) - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:30:44
                    you think David's penis is front & center on accident? - TigerwTLP MU - 8/18 12:33:41
                         people having penises in the same room as other penises - colonel angus beef KC - 8/18 13:23:36
                         David not here, man(nm) - Eggs MU - 8/18 12:39:50
                    hypothetically, you gay(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:32:26
                         how am i gay? you brought up gays - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:38:10
                              for Jennifer Lawrence I am. Why so defensive?!(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:41:30
                                   oh my(nm) - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:52:33
                                        are you uncomfortable by this?(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:56:47
                                             he just started rocking back and forth reading his bible - colonel angus beef KC - 8/18 13:09:17
                    1. Statue of Liberty 2. Abraham Lincoln - dangertim MU - 8/18 12:32:01
                         there is a statue of my Mom?(nm) - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:37:40
     I'm for the removal - Zeaux MWSC - 8/18 12:15:45
     I'm in favor of letting the public decide. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 12:12:35
     i for them being brought to life and taking over the - SabertoothTiger MU - 8/18 12:08:47
     thoroughly indifferent(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 8/18 12:07:37
     personally don't care - JG MU - 8/18 11:58:07
     I think they should be moved to one location - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 8/18 11:56:14
     I dont really give many sh*ts but I am more in favor of - hefeweizen MU - 8/18 11:56:05
          if those plaques are privately funded that would be a - MizzouAstro MU - 8/18 12:08:07
          Thank you.(nm) - Fool on the Hill MU - 8/18 12:00:29
     Couldn't really care either way. nm - Nebraska99 STL - 8/18 11:55:10
          List of Missouri confederate monuments and spaces - KCT-BoneTiger A - 8/18 12:07:01




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