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Posted on: August 18, 2017 at 12:45:01 CT
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that's a fact. They wanted an independent, slave owning nation. They got it.

And a lot of the Confederates who were fighting didn't own slaves or care much if they ever did. Does that mean they were fighting specifically because they supported the institution of slavery? Were they fighting more just to uphold the economic engine of their region of the country, which happened to include slavery? Were they fighting simply because their homeland was being attacked by an army and, being unsophisticated rural yokels who knew little of the politics behind the war, they chose to fight to protect their back yard? Or were they fighting because they were racist jerks who couldn't stand the thought of a black person going free? Or all of the above? Or none?

It's complicated and my guess is for every single member of the Confederacy, Lee included, the answer would be different shades and parts of the various different options above. And again, it's not like the people who fought for the North were all fighting "to free the slaves" either. Some fought because they were drafted into it. Some fought because they were fresh off the boat immigrants and it gave them a way to identify with their new country. None of the Northern states were in any hurry to grant the freed slaves any basic civil rights like, say, non-segregated public education or even non-segregated drinking fountains.

It's all very complicated and multi-layered. Statues, paintings, flags, symbols don't have any intrinsic meaning. They all mean only what we decide they mean. And right now the country as a whole can't make up its damn mind what any of that stuff actually means.

Edited by McMuffin at 12:47:05 on 08/18/17
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     I think that - o'lineydisciple MU - 8/18 13:48:29
     RE: Are you for or against the removal of confederate statues? - colonel angus beef KC - 8/18 13:14:37
          Probably took a minute to type up his post - Hickeytime MU - 8/18 13:12:32
          These are distractions to keep you from focusing on the - HandBanana MU - 8/18 12:47:59
          Steve Bannon did, because it feeds Breitbart site traffic - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:37:41
     Opposed to the destruction of history - Tptiger MU - 8/18 12:31:15
          exactly, should we get rid of the holocaust museum - showme NWMSU - 8/18 13:39:54
     If the only reason is because of the slavery association - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:27:52
          Their status as slave owners is not the only reason. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 12:38:32
          Playing devil's advocate, the problem with that argument - TigerNuts KC - 8/18 12:37:09
               All Revolutionary War participants were defending slavery - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:45:01
                    Lee never owned any slaves(nm) - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/18 12:56:01
                         He most certainly did - Grasslands MU - 8/18 13:19:44
                         There's a lot of debate on Lee's views on slavery - McMuffin MU - 8/18 13:12:00
                              Soldiers under his command captured free blacks to sell as - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 13:17:02
                                   He also privately opposed the Confederacy early on - McMuffin MU - 8/18 13:23:56
                                        So he was, at best, a flip flopper who flipped to treason. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 13:30:26
                                             Well George Washington flipped to treason against Britain - McMuffin MU - 8/18 13:36:12
                                                  Treason in a vacuum isn't the issue. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 14:02:12
                                                       The United States didn't exist then - McMuffin MU - 8/18 14:10:14
                                                            No, it didn't exist. He made it exist. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 14:17:31
                                                                 Washington as President could have tried to ban slavery - McMuffin MU - 8/18 14:24:18
                                                                      K.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 15:06:41
          i know i learned my history from statues - TigerwTLP MU - 8/18 12:31:58
          opps...(nm) - Ken Bone STL - 8/18 12:29:28
          Opps - Zeaux MWSC - 8/18 12:28:55
               opps...(nm) - McMuffin MU - 8/18 12:29:51
     against it - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:26:01
          what if people were removing gay statues? You'd be ecstatic(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:29:42
               lol...are there many gay statues?(nm) - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:30:44
                    you think David's penis is front & center on accident? - TigerwTLP MU - 8/18 12:33:41
                         people having penises in the same room as other penises - colonel angus beef KC - 8/18 13:23:36
                         David not here, man(nm) - Eggs MU - 8/18 12:39:50
                    hypothetically, you gay(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:32:26
                         how am i gay? you brought up gays - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:38:10
                              for Jennifer Lawrence I am. Why so defensive?!(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:41:30
                                   oh my(nm) - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:52:33
                                        are you uncomfortable by this?(nm) - tigersknowbest MU - 8/18 12:56:47
                                             he just started rocking back and forth reading his bible - colonel angus beef KC - 8/18 13:09:17
                    1. Statue of Liberty 2. Abraham Lincoln - dangertim MU - 8/18 12:32:01
                         there is a statue of my Mom?(nm) - SEC_BIG_GAMEHUNTER SEC - 8/18 12:37:40
     I'm for the removal - Zeaux MWSC - 8/18 12:15:45
     I'm in favor of letting the public decide. - zodiac6 JC - 8/18 12:12:35
     i for them being brought to life and taking over the - SabertoothTiger MU - 8/18 12:08:47
     thoroughly indifferent(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 8/18 12:07:37
     personally don't care - JG MU - 8/18 11:58:07
     I think they should be moved to one location - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 8/18 11:56:14
     I dont really give many sh*ts but I am more in favor of - hefeweizen MU - 8/18 11:56:05
          if those plaques are privately funded that would be a - MizzouAstro MU - 8/18 12:08:07
          Thank you.(nm) - Fool on the Hill MU - 8/18 12:00:29
     Couldn't really care either way. nm - Nebraska99 STL - 8/18 11:55:10
          List of Missouri confederate monuments and spaces - KCT-BoneTiger A - 8/18 12:07:01




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