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The lesson, or at least one from that

Posted on: March 29, 2017 at 12:18:42 CT
FIJItiger MU
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is that the apathy levels created by the Kim era are both significant and not easily overcome. There are alot of things that Cuonzo can realistically make quick improvements to, but the fan apathy transitioning to great support that Frank Martin talks about that baseline for his program's success takes considerable time and he didn't inherit any where near this level of apathy.

The other important lesson I think that can be gleaned from that is it is important to establish expectations and have a culture within a program, and that is one thing that I hope Cuonzo can make a rather immediate impact on. Whether we start to win immediately or not, installing the beginnings of those things will have a lasting long term benefit.
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Frank Martin's message to SC fans prior to Sweet 16 - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 11:55:59
     Glad Illinois has a coach from this tree(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 3/29 14:14:59
     Frank Martin in his sleep is a better coach - Doc Stone MU - 3/29 12:35:18
          It sounds like Frank Martin just called you out, by - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:43:19
               listen carefully - Doc Stone MU - 3/29 12:53:15
                    Shame on Frank for making you feel bad. He must be a - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:55:09
                         what exactly did he do to me?(nm) - Doc Stone MU - 3/29 12:56:12
     That Frank Martin is a good basketball coach and the fans... - BandG MU - 3/29 12:26:39
          It took them a while to buy in as Frank pointed out. I was - Erwin Fletcher STL - 3/29 13:01:12
     What we can learn is that if you have an elite scorer - Diamond Dave MU - 3/29 12:22:19
     Win or tie, MizzouTigerz, those are the outcomes they are - gaber c. MU - 3/29 12:20:40
          The right way encompasses - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:29:11
               Two NCAA investigations? - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:32:38
                    NCAA investigations are bad for the program - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:36:31
                         By oversaw, do you mean he was the one who put people in - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:39:08
                              By oversaw I mean happened on his watch, when he is - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:45:12
                                   Be specific. What violations are alleged to have occurred - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:47:10
                                        Improper internship, impermissible benefits, academic - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:49:26
                                             Perhaps you don't understand the word specific. - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:53:52
                                                  Gant's violations and impermissible benefits - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:58:04
                                                       Again, when did the Gant violations occur, who set it up - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:06:16
                                                            They occurred under Kim Anderson, when he was - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 13:11:21
                                                                 Dates. That means, year, month(s) day(s). Specifics. - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:20:21
                                                                      It was a summer internship in 2014. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 13:25:17
                                                                           Which was set up when? And when was - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:33:09
                                                                                Summer, 2014. The violations and impermissible - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 13:36:00
                                                                                     You have not told the whole truth, as revealed by your - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:54:08
                                                                                          No, the summer internship of 2014 started in the - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 14:12:40
                                                                                               No, the allegations regarding the summer internship of 2014 - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 14:51:30
                                                                                               This was obviously a continuation of what had happened - gaber c. MU - 3/29 14:15:50
                                                                                          Ha, and yet another despicable lie exposed for exactly - gaber c. MU - 3/29 14:03:13
          what's "the right way"? what is your definition of - 90Tiger MU - 3/29 12:22:49
               First off you have to have true student athletes - gaber c. MU - 3/29 12:31:23
                    Do you consider Porter Jr to be a true student athlete? - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:38:26
                         It seems clear you don't understand the commitment of the - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:45:45
                              So you do expect him to graduate from MU with a degree?(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:46:16
                                   I don't know what his plans are long term for his education. - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:50:54
                                        That is why I asked your opinion on what you expected(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:58:48
                                             As I clearly stated, I expect him to continue his education. - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:11:35
                                                  I didn't mock that notion, nor even disagree with it (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 13:12:06
                         Porter Jr. looks to be a very nice young man. - gaber c. MU - 3/29 12:43:28
                    what is the "best fit for your program" when you lose 20+ - 90Tiger MU - 3/29 12:34:17
                         excelling in the single thing you are there to be good at - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:02:08
                              And what is the ONE THING they have a scholarship - 90Tiger MU - 3/29 13:19:40
                                   A sports scholarship comes with conditions that go far - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:24:50
                         The guys Kim got have laid a pretty darn good foundation for - gaber c. MU - 3/29 12:38:28
                              CM is going to have to replace that foundation - - 90Tiger MU - 3/29 12:57:22
                              No. There is almost zero foundation (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:45:50
                                   A foundation built on star ratings, casual friends of a - gaber c. MU - 3/29 12:52:37
     The lesson, or at least one from that - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:18:42
          There seems to be a clear claim by Coach F. Martin, that fan - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:36:56
               Kim didn't lose fan support because of losing - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:48:10
                    The players lost fan support when the 'loyal fans' gave away - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:29:43
                         No regrets from me (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 13:32:31
                              You contributed on a daily basis to seats being empty, and - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:35:08
                                   I don't agree with that silly notion, but even if it was - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 13:37:10
                    Those statements are completely wrong. - gaber c. MU - 3/29 12:57:47
                         Assume this is sarcasm (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/29 12:59:57
               Man. It couldn't have been any different at this - gaber c. MU - 3/29 12:47:30
     that Kim needed more time to build - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/29 12:07:32
     To not hire a D2 coach with zero charisma to take over - 90Tiger MU - 3/29 12:02:38
          The message was to the fans, not to the hierarchy of the - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:04:15
               There's nothing to learn. the fans returned because - 90Tiger MU - 3/29 12:18:42
                    Not true. - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 12:28:29
                         They showed up because they saw better leadership, - 90Tiger MU - 3/29 12:58:20
                              They began supporting this team just based on the heart and, - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 13:39:32
                                   let's be nice and say he's just exaggerating for effect(nm) - Doc Stone MU - 3/29 14:13:15
                                        let's be honest - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 14:53:58
                                             because that isn't exactly borne out by the numbers - Doc Stone MU - 3/29 14:59:40
                                                  link? - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/29 15:28:27
                                                       do some research yourself genius - Doc Stone MU - 3/29 15:32:13




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