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no DH, rights exist regardless of "securing them". I have a

Posted on: December 16, 2016 at 09:46:54 CT
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right to life - if you murder me you have infringed upon my right but the right to life exists for all men.

if you steal my property, you have infringed upon my rights, but it doesn't alter in any manner that my right to my property exists-

why do you think theft, murder, kidnapping, assault, rape are nearly universally "illegal" and "immoral" and abhorent to humans? because it is in our nature to recognize these rights and it is precisely why we react to these infringements the way we do.

Some of our laws align with rights, others don't and you'll note that law enforcement today in no way "secures" my rights - they more generally ensure someone is penalized for an infringement.

No one can universally "secure" a right.

None of your rights are "secure", DH, but all of your actual rights exist.
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From Aug. 2013 - pickle MU - 12/16 08:50:07
     Irony is TB posters crying about Obamacare and Health - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 09:56:01
          I didn't argue that education is a right because - Spanky KU - 12/16 11:14:04
               That doesn't explain anything (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 11:36:03
                    Because you didn't get an education, apparently. - Spanky KU - 12/16 12:19:05
                         Because that is not the purpose of the article - pickle MU - 12/16 13:50:27
          I am a constitutionalist. education is mentioned by name - DHighlander KC - 12/16 10:38:41
               lmfao (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 11:30:50
               You are no constitutionalist (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 10:48:53
     You presented no rebuttal to Spanky's claim. - GA Tiger MU - 12/16 09:36:21
          The state doesn't give anyone the "right" to be educated - ummmm MU - 12/16 09:39:54
          GA, no offense, but you just expressed that you don't - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 09:38:22
               I call it a right because it falls within ANY definition in - GA Tiger MU - 12/16 09:41:22
                    Force is all over state education - compliance with standard - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 09:43:20
                    You call it a right - pickle MU - 12/16 09:42:51
                         You accuse us of the logical fallacy of appealing to - DHighlander KC - 12/16 09:52:37
                              I'm not arguing an appeal to authority - pickle MU - 12/16 09:57:59
                                   You tell everyone to think but offer absolutely nothing in - DHighlander KC - 12/16 10:07:04
                                        I'm not sure you can see my posts, but - SwampTiger MU - 12/16 10:12:59
                                             I don't disagree with any of it. But without the first - DHighlander KC - 12/16 10:20:40
                                                  it doesn't sound like you agree with it - SwampTiger MU - 12/16 10:28:27
                                                       No it claims that they believe that there are inalienable - DHighlander KC - 12/16 10:54:19
                                                            I think I have a concussion - SwampTiger MU - 12/16 10:58:06
                                                                 How is "We Hold" anything but an opinion? - DHighlander KC - 12/16 11:17:34
                                                                      "truths" - SwampTiger MU - 12/16 11:53:39
                                                                      Wow (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 11:29:27
                                                  Those seven words do not support your argument - pickle MU - 12/16 10:26:08
                                        Oh, my. (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 10:11:51
                    Where does the right to education begin and where does it - ummmm MU - 12/16 09:42:16
          The entire post is not only a rebuttal - pickle MU - 12/16 09:38:16
     As a Constitutional Republic every state has decided that a - DHighlander KC - 12/16 09:28:34
          Do you have a right to drive, or is it a privelege? - tman KC - 12/16 10:10:35
               It's a right (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 10:38:04
               Nothing in the Constitution gives me that right. But the - DHighlander KC - 12/16 10:23:45
                    I thought you said you know the Constitution? - pickle MU - 12/16 10:39:21
                         No, the constitution identifies rights that it guarantees. - DHighlander KC - 12/16 11:07:49
          Using your framework, rights come and go based on what - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 09:41:51
               Thank you for making my point. As I have said multiple - DHighlander KC - 12/16 09:49:56
                    That is frankly untrue - ummmm MU - 12/16 09:53:58
                         Because the right that I claim has the backing of every - DHighlander KC - 12/16 09:56:57
                              DH - none of the things you are calling a right is - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 10:23:49
                                   Every state constitution guarantees the right to a - DHighlander KC - 12/16 10:31:57
                                        Holy **** (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 10:52:56
                                        No, they don't. Every state has laws of force - ummmm MU - 12/16 10:38:30
                                             It is not possible to have meaningful discussions with - DHighlander KC - 12/16 10:45:56
                                                  DH - you need to unlearn everything you think you kno - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 11:31:43
                                                  Awesome (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 10:54:09
                                                  That governments are not going anywhere is a non-sequitur - ummmm MU - 12/16 10:50:44
                                                       I hate to say it - pickle MU - 12/16 10:56:23
                                                            agree (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 11:32:38
                              But it is not a right. You recognize that it can be taken - ummmm MU - 12/16 10:00:11
                                   That is a totally unsupportable claim. If you wish to put - DHighlander KC - 12/16 10:13:35
                                        No, you cannot claim anything as a natural right. - ummmm MU - 12/16 10:23:54
                                             If something comes from logical deduction then the proof of - DHighlander KC - 12/16 11:22:46
                                        RE: That is a totally unsupportable claim. If you wish to put - pickle MU - 12/16 10:18:19
                                             You claim to have given reasoned arguments for what rights - DHighlander KC - 12/16 10:27:20
                                                  "What evidence do you have for that claim?" - pickle MU - 12/16 12:59:29
                              Please answer his question (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 09:59:05
                    You operate under this strange belief - pickle MU - 12/16 09:53:02
                         You and the rest of your minions refuse to answer a - DHighlander KC - 12/16 09:59:45
                              been answered 1000 times - - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 10:30:56
                              For years - daily - I have discussed natural rights - pickle MU - 12/16 10:06:21
                                   And every time it comes up you refuse to discuss it, just - DHighlander KC - 12/16 11:31:32
                                        Stop lying (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 12:42:46
                              Stop lying, DH - pickle MU - 12/16 10:04:33
          govt mandates aren't rights, DH, they are govt mandates, - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 09:38:58
               THERE ARE NO RIGHTS UNLESS YOU CAN SECURE THEM! - DHighlander KC - 12/16 09:42:12
                    so you don't believe in unalienable rights? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/16 09:56:29
                         I do. That is my opinion though. It is not proof of them. - DHighlander KC - 12/16 11:33:02
                              You're contradicting yourself (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 13:00:59
                    no DH, rights exist regardless of "securing them". I have a - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 09:46:54
                         You claim to have those rights. Where do they come from - DHighlander KC - 12/16 09:55:22
                              You simply don't read. If you do - pickle MU - 12/16 10:01:06
                                   So I am supposed to search back through thousands of your - DHighlander KC - 12/16 11:26:20
                                        DH - pickle MU - 12/16 13:06:41
                    You're wrong (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 09:43:32
          You may as well be posting about cheese or canasta - pickle MU - 12/16 09:34:23
          This sentence right here: - ummmm MU - 12/16 09:30:31
               Using your 'logic' - Spanky KU - 12/16 09:49:56
                    In North Korea, the individuals that live there have a right - ummmm MU - 12/16 09:55:31
                         In places outside the US, people have the right to an - Spanky KU - 12/16 10:09:11
                              Ive never heard that condemnation - ummmm MU - 12/16 10:16:15
                                   Then you are deaf. - Spanky KU - 12/16 10:30:26
                                        lol. deaf. and then you post links to read with my eyes. - ummmm MU - 12/16 10:31:56
                                             Did you want me to post sound files for you? - Spanky KU - 12/16 10:56:56
                                                  You will do anything and go to any length - pickle MU - 12/16 12:51:42
                                                       Run away puss-puss.... - Spanky KU - 12/16 12:57:45
                              There is no such thing as a right to an education - pickle MU - 12/16 10:14:04
     Damn... - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/16 08:55:28
          SSDD - Pickle is a broken record but unfortunately for the - DHighlander KC - 12/16 09:21:49
               Let's just appreciate the irony - pickle MU - 12/16 09:35:59
               it sounds like you disagree with the Declaration - SwampTiger MU - 12/16 09:29:07
          He's simply upset that he was never educated - Spanky KU - 12/16 09:14:52
               This is what an explanation looks like - pickle MU - 12/16 09:25:32
                    Once you read the post, we will discuss the article - Spanky KU - 12/16 09:28:45
                         I'm not interested in your article - pickle MU - 12/16 09:37:10
                              You are not interested in getting educated - Spanky KU - 12/16 09:43:21
                                   and now, based on the whim of the Emperor, health - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 09:52:51
                                        You are mistaking health care with health insurance... - Spanky KU - 12/16 10:10:31
                                             lmfao, good grief spanky. dodge and dance! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/16 11:34:04
                                             And you are dodging and obfuscating (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 10:12:13
                                                  Nope.... - Spanky KU - 12/16 11:19:35
          Perhaps there will come a day - pickle MU - 12/16 09:08:00
               Of course it's not a right - only an idiot would think so.(nm) - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 12/16 09:11:11
               yawn (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/16 09:09:00
          He does this and then accuses other - GODZILLA MU - 12/16 08:57:29




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