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How about you find me P5 coaches that have struggled

Posted on: November 30, 2016 at 12:08:09 CT
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at the level that Kim has in his first 3 years and went on to make a tourney and I will find 5 coaches who struggled at a similar level and didn't accomplish **** at their school?

How many coaches can you find that won 35 games or fewer in their first 3 years at a P5 school and went on to make a tourney at that school? Because in about 10 minutes in looking, I found about 13 coaches who sucked and continued to suck. I'm not sure there are even more than one or two P5 coaches who have been this bad to start of and ended up being successful. And I think you'll like have to back 30 or more years to find any. Even a Coach like Larry Krystowiak won 42 games his first 3 years. There is no way Kim comes close to that.
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Let KA have more than 6 games with only his own players - KCT-BoneTiger MU - 11/30 10:51:30
     RE: Let KA have more than 6 games with only his own players - Tigers_BB STL - 11/30 13:22:54
     I preferred Haith with MA's players - AlCat MU - 11/30 12:49:49
     I'd prefer KA with Rich Daly players - Cole Thornton MU - 11/30 12:28:35
     I try to curb my criticism of Kim, but I'll say this about - bornoncampus MU - 11/30 12:21:43
          These are his players now imo. Regarding who - Erwin Fletcher STL - 11/30 13:21:34
          At this point a ton to prove - Eggs MU - 11/30 12:40:38
               agree - o'lineydisciple MU - 11/30 16:22:44
          Agree 100% - Bump834 MU - 11/30 12:33:02
          I think that was Kim's biggest mistake - he clearly favored - tigerdb MU - 11/30 12:25:55
          100% agree with your first 4 sentances - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 12:23:32
     So we need to extend his contract? nm - MU-TULSA MU - 11/30 12:21:16
     RE: Let KA have more than 6 games with only his own players - SpaceOddity KU - 11/30 11:51:29
          LMAO, great response from a ku fan, nm - MU-TULSA MU - 11/30 12:22:50
     Agreed - tiger4real MU - 11/30 11:40:40
          Arky was a FB win in the coach's first year... - tigerdb MU - 11/30 12:02:03
               A 7-5 team who finished 5th in their division is a - Eggs MU - 11/30 12:12:21
                    22 win teams are a dime a dozen most years - Rabbit Test MU - 11/30 12:25:09
                         So are 7 win teams in college football(nm) - Eggs MU - 11/30 12:28:39
                    Arky is our "rival, closing out his first season with a win - tigerdb MU - 11/30 12:24:14
          Hey I won 10 games but we beat 'Zona....are you delusional . - tigertix MU - 11/30 11:56:46
          Xavier isn't a signature win. - Rabbit Test MU - 11/30 11:46:10
               they are a top 10 team and arguably a top 10 program.nm - tiger4real MU - 11/30 11:47:54
                    And prior to Kim, MU won 8 times against top 10 teams - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 11:55:01
     He will be coach at MU until you die, get used to it(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 11/30 11:28:07
          Wonder if anyone had KCT-BoneTiger in one of those - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 11:29:32
     Coach K only won 11 games his 3rd year at Duke so we should - StaleyTiger MU - 11/30 11:22:25
          And he was 35 yrs old with 5 yrs D1 HC xp before Duke, just - MU-TULSA MU - 11/30 12:26:04
          ACC = SEC not........Coach K = KA not in your wildest - tigertix MU - 11/30 11:35:59
               not in your wildest - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:40:30
                    Ok, I'll type slower so you can understand...winning 11 - tigertix MU - 11/30 11:59:07
                         Coach K had prior experience at the D1 level, and still only - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:02:24
                              RE: Coach K had prior experience at the D1 level, and still only - TigerUppercut MU - 11/30 12:14:03
                                   And yet with all this talent he only won 11 games the 3rd - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:22:37
                                        RE: And yet with all this talent he only won 11 games the 3rd - TigerUppercut MU - 11/30 12:26:02
                                             Okay, so, you want us to compare his whole year to 6 games - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:29:53
                                                  RE: Okay, so, you want us to compare his whole year to 6 games - TigerUppercut MU - 11/30 12:35:20
                                                       So you think Haith left this program in a state where KA - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:47:32
                                                            Only the insane or delusional would come to that conclusion. - tigerspy MU - 11/30 12:53:18
          That is admitted by all honest people. Do you have a problem - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:33:28
               And there are dozens of examples of coaches who sucked for 3 - StaleyTiger MU - 11/30 11:41:28
                    And many more who did fine. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:52:39
                         But none went on to do fine when - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 11:56:01
                              Your's is not the only opinion in the universe. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:58:20
                                   Just seemed you were seeking to be informed - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 12:02:12
                                        I get my information from objective sources, not agenda - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:03:55
                                             RE: I get my information from objective sources, not agenda - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 12:06:43
                                                  Only stupid people mock God and His holy word. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:09:00
                                                       Cool, sounds objective (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 12:10:10
                                                            RE: Cool, sounds objective (nm) - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:19:30
                                                                 right, I get the irony of you saying you only recognize - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 12:21:07
                                                                      It is the most objective information about the true state of - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:24:23
                                                                           You are citing a book written by primitive man (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 12:30:39
                                                                                RE: You are citing a book written by primitive man (nm) - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:43:46
                    You're the one that brought it up. If you have a problem - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:43:06
               RE: That is admitted by all honest people. Do you have a problem - tgr MU - 11/30 11:37:37
                    Surely you have the evidence at your fingertips and can - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:51:01
                         A few more: - tgr MU - 11/30 12:02:17
                              So no, you don't have the facts necessary to support your - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:06:44
                                   As far as I can tell only one coach has won 35 or fewer - tgr MU - 11/30 12:13:30
                                        13 coaches is not representative of the whole. Less than 1% - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:27:38
                                             I actually found a couple more. - tgr MU - 11/30 12:38:19
                                                  Are you really this slow? Even 2% would not be anywhere - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:50:56
                                                       Better quit now, you're losing this argument - tigerspy MU - 11/30 12:55:18
                                                            RE: Better quit now, you're losing this argument - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 13:12:05
                                                                 Now who is cherry picking examples? - tigerspy MU - 11/30 13:16:50
                                                                      Those are all top shelf coaches. Not good. The best. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 13:48:22
                                                                           Which is completely irrelevant to KA. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 11/30 13:50:29
                                                                      LOL even more: - tigerspy MU - 11/30 13:18:27
                    Prove it. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:44:00
                         Just a few - tgr MU - 11/30 11:57:32
                              LOL Get the total numbers on the subject, not a few cherry - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:59:52
                                   How about you find me P5 coaches that have struggled - tgr MU - 11/30 12:08:09
                                        You're the one making the claim, come up with the proof, or - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:13:46
                                             Coaches as bad as Kim don't have 6 year track records - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 12:16:12
                                                  Like Duke, and Coach K. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:25:38
                                                       Coach K was in a different era. He also signed a - tgr MU - 11/30 12:27:41
                                                            Totally equal situations. Duke, no probation. Mizzou, - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:33:20
                                                                 So are you contending that we would be getting McDonalds - StaleyTiger MU - 11/30 12:40:17
                                                                      RE: So are you contending that we would be getting McDonalds - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 12:48:46
                                                            RE: Coach K was in a different era. He also signed a - TigerUppercut MU - 11/30 12:28:23
                                                       RE: Like Duke, and Coach K. - TigerUppercut MU - 11/30 12:27:33
                                                            Or I'm using the very best example of how wrong people can - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 13:18:16
                                                  RE: Coaches as bad as Kim don't have 6 year track records - TigerUppercut MU - 11/30 12:17:13
     LOL. You can't be serious. (nm) - zounami MU - 11/30 11:15:41
     Agree. Either they start to gel or they don't - MUIntensity USA - 11/30 11:15:36
          I think you let him finish the season of course but I would - TheWildcat STL - 11/30 11:22:16
     Wow, just wow, a real coach takes what he has and at least - tigertix MU - 11/30 11:08:49
          through the season... - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:36:54
     Having all his own players is not a good thing - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 11:02:30
          That has been the surprising part. I figured he was a - TheWildcat STL - 11/30 11:15:29
               Agree, I admit I was completely wrong about that. - FIJItiger MU - 11/30 11:17:46
               I think there is some racism in that. Everyone expects - StaleyTiger MU - 11/30 11:17:20
                    I didn't know anything about his CMSU roster and figured - TheWildcat STL - 11/30 11:19:35
     No. - Rabbit Test MU - 11/30 11:01:06
          So you recognize false narratives in college athletics - TheWildcat STL - 11/30 11:14:36
               No, - Rabbit Test MU - 11/30 11:37:49
               Hey hey hey. - kcnorthside KC - 11/30 11:19:25
     He's essentially coached 3 different teams, and his results - jrmtiger MU - 11/30 10:59:12
          He doesn't even have his full team, and it's only been a - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:46:28
     Nah(nm) - kcnorthside KC - 11/30 10:56:25
     Despite new personnel, we're seeing the same stuff - Eggs MU - 11/30 10:56:23
          You sound like pickle ragging on Pinkel in the early years. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/30 11:48:17
          I'd say player attrition is over, - nerdmachine KC - 11/30 11:00:08
               This is a statement of faith combined with odd rumors (nm) - the808bass MU - 11/30 11:03:13
     This isn't a serious post. (nm) - the808bass MU - 11/30 10:54:53




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