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MU's problem in the Haith era was conference play

Posted on: October 18, 2016 at 09:18:17 CT
FIJItiger MU
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His 3 non-cons were:

2014: 12-1 ; 1 point loss in Braggin Rights game ; wins over W. Virginia, UCLA, NC State ; finished non-con ranked #21

2013: 11-2 ; overtime road loss to UCLA, loss to eventual national champion Louisville ; wins over Stanford, VCU, Illinois, Bucknell ; finished non-con ranked #12

2012: 13-0, no losses ; wins over Notre Dame, Cal, Villanova, Illinois ; finished non-con ranked #8

Combined non-con of 36-3. The problem is outside of 2011-12 the Tigers faltered mightily in once conference play started, finishing only 14 games over .500 in conference play in that era for a combined record of 34-20. That resulted in a 2nd, 5th, and 6th place conference finish.

MU is currently 24 games below .500 in conference play under Kim. If they can manage to finish 9-9 in SEC play this season, they will remain only 24 games below .500 in conference play during this era and end the streak of only finished 14th. Last year a 16-16 Arkansas team that failed to make any postseason finished in a tie for 8th place in the SEC by going 9-9 in conference play. It’s a very low benchmark to try and obtain.
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MU's problem in the Haith era was conference play - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 09:18:17
     Too many wins not enough synonyms for character. - sharpwp UNC - 10/18 16:02:16
     RE: not true, 2nd in conference was one of Missouri's BEST - 77TIGER MU - 10/18 13:12:51
          Average finish of 5.8 over the last 20 years not even - sprintcar STL - 10/18 13:36:06
     we know you love Haith, didn't need to type all of that - Jeff85 MU - 10/18 12:25:00
          Some of the readers here are MU fans, and like to - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 13:32:08
     You forgot zero wins the final year because of - alstl MU - 10/18 10:18:20
          In your view then, Norm only made it past the Sweet 16 - tigerdb MU - 10/18 10:49:56
               1967, 1999, 2014 - alstl MU - 10/18 11:10:59
                    I place more weight on what a coach does during his - tigerdb MU - 10/18 11:25:18
                         I wasn't a huge Norm fan but he won the conference - alstl MU - 10/18 12:00:19
                              MU won an NCAA tourney game in the 1944 NCAA tourney(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 13:30:45
                              You're doing quite the dance...can you answer the question - tigerdb MU - 10/18 12:06:15
                                   If he vacated wins then 1 - Snyder, Suitcase, Haith & Kim - alstl MU - 10/18 13:34:27
                                        So 32 years and ONE Elite Eight appearance? - tigerdb MU - 10/18 14:12:55
                                        False. A conference's automatic bid is given to - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 13:36:28
                    Not sure I agree with that - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:14:29
          We didn't win zero games in 2013-14 - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 10:32:02
               We won ZERO games that year because of Haith's - go tigers MU - 10/18 20:04:49
               Displace Blame?.. - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 11:14:26
                    Nobody wrongfully paid Gant or his mother - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:16:38
                         RE: Nobody wrongfully paid Gant or his mother - StlWeir MU - 10/18 12:50:50
                              He absolutely did... - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 13:14:37
                                   First off, he didn't move to Springfield - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 13:28:16
                         Gant literally didn't do anything... - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 11:22:04
                              RE: Gant literally didn't do anything... - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:23:47
                                   RE: Gant literally didn't do anything... - StlWeir MU - 10/18 12:54:39
                                   Of course Tuley is going to say the work was done... - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 11:29:51
                                        You are talking about the validity of the work for which - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:33:05
                                             Gant was actually paid more than the normal amount... - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 11:47:03
                                                  Some of the info you are seeking - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 12:01:27
                                                       So Tuley said the athletes did do work... - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 13:27:07
                                                            Gant moved to MO because he couldn't pass the GA high school - sprintcar STL - 10/18 13:30:01
                                                            Uh, there was an NCAA investigation - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 13:29:47
                                                                 RE: Uh, there was an NCAA investigation - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 13:42:50
                                                                      No, they were paid equally. The first group got $100 - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 13:46:21
                                                                           RE: No, they were paid equally. The first group got $100 - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 13:49:30
                                                                                Gant wasn't given his personal vehicle - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 13:57:49
                                                  No he wasn't, and no he wasn't - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:52:47
                                             The AD had no interest in defending that position... - tigerdb MU - 10/18 11:45:07
                                                  Of course this is correct (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:49:03
               No offense but you are out of touch with reality - alstl MU - 10/18 10:50:53
                    Neither of those are sanctions or probation - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 10:55:58
                         Distinction without a difference - if Missouri - alstl MU - 10/18 11:43:55
                              Had he not failed, there would have been no - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:46:52
                         Your sense of logic is facinating. nm - bornoncampus MU - 10/18 11:08:49
                              I just like to be accurate (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:10:05
                                   As accurate as a former Royals fan can be(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/18 11:41:41
     problem with haith - Bump834 MU - 10/18 09:52:26
          His problem was he had 3 players leave early for the NBA - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 10:37:58
               His problem is he is a terrible coach. His assistants kept - DollarSigns MU - 10/18 19:44:44
               House of cards - Bump834 MU - 10/18 11:27:44
                    MU will likely always be a program where - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:30:23
                         RE: MU will likely always be a program where - StlWeir MU - 10/18 12:26:36
                              Clarkson was in fact a 1 and done player actually (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 13:26:33
                                   That should have been planned for - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 14:13:00
                                        That a non-top 100 recruit who transfered from Tulsa - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 14:23:03
                                             RE: That a non-top 100 recruit who transfered from Tulsa - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 14:57:54
                                                  Punter was also never signed - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 15:01:15
                         Fact is how your program responds - Bump834 MU - 10/18 12:05:15
               Thats been Mike Anderson's problem at Arkansas - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 11:10:17
     RE: MU's problem in the Haith era was conference play - BIG RAY USA - 10/18 09:43:03
          RE: MU's problem in the Haith era was conference play - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/18 09:54:55
               RE: MU's problem in the Haith era was conference play - BIG RAY USA - 10/18 10:00:22
                    MU has 5 Elite Eight appearances (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 10:28:32
                    The difference is we don't die after - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/18 10:12:47
                         RE: The difference is we don't die after - BIG RAY USA - 10/18 10:14:51
                              Yep i'm still here you PAF beaker loser - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/18 11:12:34
                              RE: The difference is we don't die after - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 10:16:32
                                   RE: The difference is we don't die after - BIG RAY USA - 10/18 10:24:22
                                        You must have comprehension problems... - KC_MizzouFan MU - 10/18 11:26:18
                                        As bad as we are, we would destroy you, that's sad(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/18 11:13:15
                                        But if ku is sooooo great - doughboy MU - 10/18 10:48:18
          Hence I listed some of the notable non-con wins for - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 09:51:02
               RE: Hence I listed some of the notable non-con wins for - BIG RAY USA - 10/18 10:02:40
                    Well not now, but then - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 10:27:14
                         RE: Well not now, but then - Phoggy08 KU - 10/18 11:11:32
                              Well given he asked about the Illini, that would make - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:18:46
     Haith was too worried about getting his second - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 09:38:21
          RE: No Anderson let things go, he knew he was leaving - 77TIGER MU - 10/18 13:16:44
          2013-14 was the building year - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 09:49:26
               It's not a building year if every proven player leaves - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 09:58:34
                    Right, didn't work because players went to - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 10:24:52
                         Look at his first 2 recruiting classes - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 10:36:54
                              His 1st recruiting class was no players - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 10:40:15
                                   basically the same as KA - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 10:59:31
                                        Well except for all the talent and not failing part(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:00:43
                                             Lost recruiting classes go back to before Haith - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 11:14:48
                                                  They just need an adequate to good coach. That will - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:20:02
                                                       The talent issue came in the year after Clarkson - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 11:29:00
                                                            Agree, the problem started when Kim was hired and - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:34:59
                                                                 KA didn't inherit the talent to compete in the SEC - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 11:45:28
                                                                      Sure he did. Not to win the SEC but certainly he inherited - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 11:47:54
                                                                           RE: Sure he did. Not to win the SEC but certainly he inherited - StlWeir MU - 10/18 12:40:51
                                                                                No, that was after they had left the program - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 13:25:45
     the problem with haith was declining program and - SuperTone MU - 10/18 09:38:04
          RE: the problem with haith was declining program when - 77TIGER MU - 10/18 13:15:05
          Well he inherited a massive rebuild, so it was - FIJItiger MU - 10/18 09:46:11
               RE: Well he inherited a massive rebuild, so it was - StlWeir MU - 10/18 11:19:21
          He had two top 20 classes his final two years at Mizzou. - StaleyTiger MU - 10/18 09:40:04
               RE: He had two top 20 classes his final two years at Mizzou. - StlWeir MU - 10/18 12:43:08
               His first top 20 class had 1 player - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/18 09:48:09
               All coaches recruit, he just didn't develop 4 year players - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 10/18 09:47:39
     Yes, very disappointing conference performance for - 90Tiger MU - 10/18 09:31:14




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