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Most major conference teams that are perennial tourney teams

Posted on: September 16, 2016 at 21:39:30 CT

StaleyTiger MU

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are lead there by a combination of top 100, 150, and a few 150+ role players. This notion that recruiting rankings don't matter is a narrative that KA'ers cling to because Kim is recruiting so poorly. To be a program that puts teams in the tournament with regularity you have to either recruit at a level much higher than Kim is or you have to have a coach much better than Kim is.

Edited by StaleyTiger at 21:41:12 on 09/16/16

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I love how the guys that left to one party are great - nerdmachine KC - 9/16 12:51:06

Wright and Clark led the team in minutes per game - quicksand MU - 9/16 19:55:01

Theres a difference between being - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/17 15:16:26

Some need recruiting rankings to tell them who can play - Mr. Orange SU - 9/16 16:00:17

Or you can look at the facts that the best teams have the - StaleyTiger MU - 9/16 21:08:00

You think CMA is a hall of fame coach - Mr. Orange SU - 9/16 23:35:37

Teams with Final 4 aspirations recruit the best players - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 21:33:21

Most major conference teams that are perennial tourney teams - StaleyTiger MU - 9/16 21:39:30

either better recruiting or better development - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 21:53:18

KA must be one of them - quicksand MU - 9/16 19:59:08

More whining about the past to avoid staring at the reality - 90Tiger MU - 9/16 13:43:37

For example... - Mr. Orange SU - 9/16 16:00:37

Agree, feefee and his minions should stop worrying about the - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 9/16 14:18:38

RE: Agree, feefee and his minions should stop worrying about the - StlWeir MU - 9/17 09:50:32

Fiji didn't make that OP, check your premise (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/16 14:22:09

It wasn't about the OP, just a general statement old chap!(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 9/16 14:23:05

I know, which means it wasn't topical but typical (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/16 14:23:25

You should be a rapper(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 9/16 14:24:14

90 cent (nm) - Uncle John MU

- 9/16 14:47:09

Nitty cent - Mr. Orange SU - 9/16 16:01:33

lol(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 9/16 14:51:38

A KA poster posts about the past and you blame - 90Tiger MU - 9/16 14:26:11

Let's be manly men and push forward through this storm!(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 9/16 14:27:55

I look forward to seeing the new guys and the returners. I - Uncle John MU

- 9/16 14:03:26

feej leads the board in that category and you worship him - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 13:45:20

they weren't good enough so we have new players - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 13:36:58

Again, 5 of the top 7 scorers from last yrs 10 win team - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 12:58:09

RE: Again, 5 of the top 7 scorers from last yrs 10 win team - StlWeir MU - 9/17 10:00:55

You love to talk about the offenses inefficiency, - nerdmachine KC - 9/16 15:42:46

Then I wonder why Wright and Clark - quicksand MU - 9/16 20:08:27

RE: Then I wonder why Wright and Clark - StlWeir MU - 9/17 10:02:56

Normally the best players play the most minutes - quicksand MU - 9/17 14:44:33

Does it matter if there are basically no efficient - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 21:15:21

9 of the 1op 13 scorers from the 2014 team - haeffb MU - 9/16 14:05:42

And we went from 23 wins to 9. - quicksand MU - 9/16 20:13:46

I am betting that this is KAs team with the most wins - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 20:45:49

This is a lie. - zodiac6 JC - 9/16 13:51:39

Our top 5 scorers in SEC play, in order, were: - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 13:54:38

Top scorers and top scorers in SEC play are not the same - MizzouTigerz MU

- 9/16 20:29:16

So like I said, a lie. - zodiac6 JC - 9/16 13:59:33

We aren't trying to compete against Wofford, Lipscomb, - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 14:07:50

RE: We aren't trying to compete against Wofford, Lipscomb, - StlWeir MU - 9/17 10:05:07

If you meant top scorers in SEC play why didn't you say it? - MizzouTigerz MU

- 9/16 20:34:05

Mizzou couldn't compete because they players - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 14:20:18

It was most importantly, until this season, the least - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 14:24:15

we actually don't know that this years team - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 14:38:52

Some teams can simply will themselves to be better - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:29:31

Ya, his junior season was the opposite of that - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 14:30:40

Imagine how bad we would still be - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:34:50

Bad defense is Kim Anderson's fault. - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:23:37

Team defense yes - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 14:36:56

Do you think Gant's shoulder injury might have impacted - tigerdb MU - 9/16 15:24:28

RE: Do you think Gant's shoulder injury might have impacted - StlWeir MU - 9/17 10:09:02

As I said below Gant's defense was much better last year - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 15:46:18

Well, not exactly - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:40:15

Gant actually made huge defensive improvement - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 14:44:52

I am afraid - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:09:56

Different argument - "in SEC play" - haeffb MU - 9/16 13:58:36

Walton and Gant also played half the minutes - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 14:40:55

I'd be curious to see who actually did the scoring - zodiac6 JC - 9/16 14:01:40

Limit it to the three SEC wins, to be consistent - haeffb MU - 9/16 14:04:22

Scoring in our 10 wins - zodiac6 JC - 9/16 15:51:51

The formula in those wins is repeatable - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 16:59:09

For just those three games - zodiac6 JC - 9/16 14:13:44

advanced stats had only 4 above average players - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 13:41:49

Advanced stats measure performance - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 13:43:39

wins and losses measures performance as well - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 14:12:01

But all of our players for 2 years have - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 14:16:20

Wrong. - haeffb MU - 9/16 14:44:58

The results are result of bad play or bad coaching. - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:25:43

It's both - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 14:47:49

The players weren't good enough - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 14:21:40

Right. Bad coaching, bad effort, and bad talent is - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 14:26:23

2 players left out of top 10 scorers and neither one - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 13:02:03

The guys that left are missed because they never became - StaleyTiger MU - 9/16 12:56:25

Exactly. Losing J3, Teki, Namon, Gant, Isabell, and Allen - tgr MU

- 9/16 13:45:58

you had me, until you mentioned the last 2 guys - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 14:14:49

They weren't used correctly or put in the position to - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/16 12:54:53

JW3 was badly mis-utilized his sophomore year (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 12:58:59

No, he was to weak to operated where he should have played - Uncle John MU

- 9/16 13:46:39

So running the point was the proper way to utilize him? - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 13:48:32

Pretty sure J3 wasn't utilized incorrectly, - nerdmachine KC - 9/16 16:38:07

I think he let him do what he wanted, its called getting a - Uncle John MU

- 9/16 14:06:20

Ok, got it - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 14:09:12

It is when it doesn't matter(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 9/16 14:10:03

So using him properly couldn't have resulted in things like - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 14:13:31

J3 wanted to prove he could shoot and be a stretch 4 - nerdmachine KC - 9/16 16:40:12

RE: J3 wanted to prove he could shoot and be a stretch 4 - StlWeir MU - 9/18 00:09:58

no, he was and always will be a role player - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 13:40:17

I guess we'll see how much of a role player he is, starting - tigerdb MU - 9/16 13:47:00

I predict he will never be much more that a 10ppg type and - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 13:50:48

11.9 points and 7.9 rebounds a game with MARK FEW coaching - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:05:58

they won't need him to score much - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 14:13:19

You are saying he won't look to score, won't - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:20:29

if you think he recruited him to be one of the primary - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 14:26:11

He averages 9 rebounds a game he - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:41:28

Well, as a sophomore he was our go to player and - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 13:44:39

he was asked to step up and be the man and couldn't - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 13:48:27

Which sophomores will average 11.9 points and 7.9 - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:07:58

so you are saying he played well and wasn't used improperly - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 14:14:38

I said he played well for an underclassman and I probably - Rabbit Test MU - 9/16 14:21:31

agree, never said otherwise - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 14:35:05

Being asked to do something you can't is the very - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 13:50:30

RE: Being asked to do something you can't is the very - StlWeir MU - 9/18 00:16:41

Then what else was KA supposed to do? - nerdmachine KC - 9/16 16:43:02

the roster was a disaster on the offensive end, think it - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 13:52:06

So JW3 was put in a position to succeed that he was - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 13:56:03

what is the best way to use a roster full of guys with - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 14:09:40

I don't know, I'm talking specifically about JW3 - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 14:18:16

blah blah blah. I've heard it a thousand times. He wasn't - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/16 13:06:34

It's on Haith that J3 didn't develop from a frosh to a soph? - tigerdb MU - 9/16 13:32:35

yes, zero offensive skills - Jeff85 MU - 9/16 13:38:55

Seems like you are agreeing - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 13:16:32

Hold on a second here, - nerdmachine KC - 9/16 16:47:36

Point of order - haeffb MU - 9/16 19:02:02

it seems like I agree that - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/16 13:33:03

Thanks, that explains why if we hold the - FIJItiger MU

- 9/16 13:46:31

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