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Posted on: January 23, 2025 at 19:36:48 CT
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and was the only poster to do so to this point, so I’ll answer my own question.

I don’t think it’s bad. I also don’t think it’s good, in and of itself.

In general, though, I do think more Americans is a good thing from, at minimum, an economic and military standpoint. We’re nowhere close to capacity, so I have no concern with adding additional Americans by whatever legal means is available.

I suspect those who do think it’s bad believe citizenship is some sort of zero-sum game and more Americans takes away from their own (family’s) opportunities - they’re just not willing to say so. “They’re takin er jerbs!” El-ahairah came closest, believing he’s “owed something” because of his ancestors.

I haven’t seen a better answer yet. Still waiting.
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Why is birthright citizenship bad? - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:13:39
     It encourages behaviors you do not want - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/23 19:52:47
     Having women cross the border illegally so they can - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/23 19:43:51
     SwampTiger asked below - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:36:48
          RE: SwampTiger asked below - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:11:48
          Your answer isn't good, sorry - Columbian Gold MU - 1/23 20:21:17
     RE: Why is birthright citizenship bad? - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:36:18
          In order - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:48:33
               Assimilation is necessary for groups of people to function - TigerMatt KC - 1/23 20:01:12
                    Assimilation is nearly guaranteed for children born - haeffb MU - 1/23 20:07:29
                         RE: Assimilation is nearly guaranteed for children born - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:19:07
               RE: In order - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:54:11
                    I don’t find the first point - haeffb MU - 1/23 20:05:18
                         RE: I don’t find the first point - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 20:08:42
     RE: Why is birthright citizenship bad: Rewards visitors and - BH O'bonga MU - 1/23 19:31:29
          You are less of a citizen - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:40:43
               I disagree with your agenda. Why don't you go over there if - BH O'bonga MU - 1/23 19:46:40
     This entire thread shows you acting in bad faith(nm) - Calca STL - 1/23 19:25:27
          By asking a question? - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:30:19
               by saying no one has explained why it's bad - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:39:03
                    Without going through each of them individually - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:52:23
     Whether good or bad it is included in an amendment to the - KC rules MU - 1/23 19:15:49
          RE: Whether good or bad it is included in an amendment to the - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:23:06
          A little history for context. - Logan STL - 1/23 19:25:23
               RE: A little history for context. - KC rules MU - 1/23 19:33:37
                    Look south for support of the EO. (nm) - Logan STL - 1/23 19:39:56
                         RE: Look south for support of the EO. (nm) - KC rules MU - 1/23 19:49:29
                              I think it can be up for interpretation and needs - Logan STL - 1/23 19:57:01
                                   It says nothing about enslaved people (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/23 20:15:40
                                        I should have added this comment to my post.. - Logan STL - 1/23 20:29:50
                                             RE: I should have added this comment to my post.. - KC rules MU - 1/23 21:11:17
     Because it’s illegal. Kamala was anchor baby - mu4ever DUKE - 1/23 19:15:37
     Citizenship is a lie (nm) - pickle MU - 1/23 19:08:11
     Got me drafted in the day - mu7176grad MU - 1/23 19:05:01
     Because you get what you see at the southern border now. - Logan STL - 1/23 19:02:51
          he's asking others to ignore what all can see - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 19:08:48
          Tanzania does - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:04:10
               I stand corrected...there are several but - Logan STL - 1/23 19:16:01
               how's the birth tourism industry in Tanzania? - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 19:12:24
                    No. The problem is government handouts - Seagull MU - 1/23 20:18:45
                         RE: No. The problem is government handouts - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:33:18
                    idk - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:15:08
     It's child abuse - Columbian Gold MU - 1/23 19:00:50
     too easily abused - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 18:53:16
     The better question is how does it make sense - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:35:53
          Maybe that’s a better question. - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:38:45
               Multiple people have answered you - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:39:29
                    No one has explained why it’s bad. (nm) - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:42:18
                         RE: No one has explained why it’s bad. (nm) - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:36:48
                         No, you just don't agree with what is being said... - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:43:53
                         Multiple people have - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:42:36
                              all except El have focused on illegal aliens - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:46:07
                                   I'm fine with ending it for all non-citizens (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:47:46
          Imagine if the Egyptians told Joseph, Mary and Jesus to - TigerMatt KC - 1/23 18:37:15
     It is not a voluntary association.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/23 18:34:58
     Flip it... why is birthright citizenship good for people - Spanky KU - 1/23 18:21:11
          Non responsive - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:27:56
               RE: Non responsive - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:41:30
               incorrect - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 18:52:28
               It's bad because people will be forced to abandon their - Logan STL - 1/23 18:37:09
                    Bad for whom? (nm) - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:38:14
                         So you are of the school tgat kids don't need parents? (nm) - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:39:44
                         America and the child (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:38:34
                              The child gets to be an American - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:40:51
                                   RE: The child gets to be an American - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:43:07
                                   you are framing a highly conditional question - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 19:14:03
                                   Stop being a pussy and answer the question (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:42:10
                                   Who takes care of the child? (nm) - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:41:32
                                        Why does that matter? - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:43:14
                                             RE: Why does that matter? - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:44:17
                                             Why does it matter? You might actually be retarded (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:43:47
                                                  I think he's doing a TBoner thing - Columbian Gold MU - 1/23 18:46:04
                                                       It’s a relevant question. If you’re opposed - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:50:02
                                                            Why is it a good thing? (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:50:28
                                                  Possibly. - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:45:08
                                                       Parents should raise their kids - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:46:34
                                                            Should. But if they take their kid away - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:48:52
                                                                 loyalty can't be bought - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 19:07:38
                                                                      Politicians prove that statement false all the time (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/23 20:25:10
                                        The parents. Then the kid can come back as an adult(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/23 18:42:53
          And that was probably the right thing to do - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:25:47
     Because it creates a terrible incentive for - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:20:20
          Birthing tourism IS an avenue for that. - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:24:13
               He just told you one thing, it creates - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:38:34
               It should not be - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:37:57
                    there is legal birth tourism (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:43:32
                         there should not be - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 18:54:23
                              I haven't made an argument (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:55:20
                              I’m not making an argument. - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:55:16
                                   Do you think it’s good or bad? (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:56:02
                                        This thread is about understanding - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:00:12
                                             why do you think it's bad (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:12:13
                         I don't care (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:44:06
                              is birthright citizenship for children of legal aliens bad?(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:48:07
                                   Yes (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:49:52
                                        what's bad about it? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:50:45
                                        Why? (nm) - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:50:31
                                             If they don't think America is a good enough - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:51:09
     Being an American means something - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:17:42
          "Having American lineage makes you an American" - Nebraska99 STL - 1/23 18:39:45
               Not necessarily - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:47:03
          Your great grandfather was an American - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:26:46
               RE: Your great grandfather was an American - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:51:15
               Correct - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:29:15
                    Your birthright, one might say? - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:31:12
                         RE: Your birthright, one might say? - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:57:06
                         I am not owed - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:34:28
                              Did your family skip the boomer generation? - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:37:27
                                   RE: Did your family skip the boomer generation? - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:58:32




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