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RE: A little history for context.

Posted on: January 23, 2025 at 19:33:37 CT
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He said nothing of legal importance and nothing most of us didn't already know. The speech was almost entirely an emotional appeal with no legal basis to support the EO being offered. There's a ton of precedence regarding the birthright clause and how it has been consistently interpreted through history.
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Why is birthright citizenship bad? - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:13:39
     It encourages behaviors you do not want - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/23 19:52:47
     Having women cross the border illegally so they can - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/23 19:43:51
     SwampTiger asked below - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:36:48
          RE: SwampTiger asked below - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:11:48
          Your answer isn't good, sorry - Columbian Gold MU - 1/23 20:21:17
     RE: Why is birthright citizenship bad? - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:36:18
          In order - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:48:33
               Assimilation is necessary for groups of people to function - TigerMatt KC - 1/23 20:01:12
                    Assimilation is nearly guaranteed for children born - haeffb MU - 1/23 20:07:29
                         RE: Assimilation is nearly guaranteed for children born - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:19:07
               RE: In order - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:54:11
                    I don’t find the first point - haeffb MU - 1/23 20:05:18
                         RE: I don’t find the first point - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 20:08:42
     RE: Why is birthright citizenship bad: Rewards visitors and - BH O'bonga MU - 1/23 19:31:29
          You are less of a citizen - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:40:43
               I disagree with your agenda. Why don't you go over there if - BH O'bonga MU - 1/23 19:46:40
     This entire thread shows you acting in bad faith(nm) - Calca STL - 1/23 19:25:27
          By asking a question? - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:30:19
               by saying no one has explained why it's bad - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:39:03
                    Without going through each of them individually - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:52:23
     Whether good or bad it is included in an amendment to the - KC rules MU - 1/23 19:15:49
          RE: Whether good or bad it is included in an amendment to the - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:23:06
          A little history for context. - Logan STL - 1/23 19:25:23
               RE: A little history for context. - KC rules MU - 1/23 19:33:37
                    Look south for support of the EO. (nm) - Logan STL - 1/23 19:39:56
                         RE: Look south for support of the EO. (nm) - KC rules MU - 1/23 19:49:29
                              I think it can be up for interpretation and needs - Logan STL - 1/23 19:57:01
                                   It says nothing about enslaved people (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/23 20:15:40
                                        I should have added this comment to my post.. - Logan STL - 1/23 20:29:50
                                             RE: I should have added this comment to my post.. - KC rules MU - 1/23 21:11:17
     Because it’s illegal. Kamala was anchor baby - mu4ever DUKE - 1/23 19:15:37
     Citizenship is a lie (nm) - pickle MU - 1/23 19:08:11
     Got me drafted in the day - mu7176grad MU - 1/23 19:05:01
     Because you get what you see at the southern border now. - Logan STL - 1/23 19:02:51
          he's asking others to ignore what all can see - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 19:08:48
          Tanzania does - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:04:10
               I stand corrected...there are several but - Logan STL - 1/23 19:16:01
               how's the birth tourism industry in Tanzania? - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 19:12:24
                    No. The problem is government handouts - Seagull MU - 1/23 20:18:45
                         RE: No. The problem is government handouts - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:33:18
                    idk - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:15:08
     It's child abuse - Columbian Gold MU - 1/23 19:00:50
     too easily abused - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 18:53:16
     The better question is how does it make sense - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:35:53
          Maybe that’s a better question. - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:38:45
               Multiple people have answered you - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:39:29
                    No one has explained why it’s bad. (nm) - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:42:18
                         RE: No one has explained why it’s bad. (nm) - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:36:48
                         No, you just don't agree with what is being said... - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:43:53
                         Multiple people have - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:42:36
                              all except El have focused on illegal aliens - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:46:07
                                   I'm fine with ending it for all non-citizens (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:47:46
          Imagine if the Egyptians told Joseph, Mary and Jesus to - TigerMatt KC - 1/23 18:37:15
     It is not a voluntary association.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/23 18:34:58
     Flip it... why is birthright citizenship good for people - Spanky KU - 1/23 18:21:11
          Non responsive - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:27:56
               RE: Non responsive - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:41:30
               incorrect - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 18:52:28
               It's bad because people will be forced to abandon their - Logan STL - 1/23 18:37:09
                    Bad for whom? (nm) - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:38:14
                         So you are of the school tgat kids don't need parents? (nm) - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:39:44
                         America and the child (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:38:34
                              The child gets to be an American - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:40:51
                                   RE: The child gets to be an American - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:43:07
                                   you are framing a highly conditional question - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 19:14:03
                                   Stop being a pussy and answer the question (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:42:10
                                   Who takes care of the child? (nm) - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:41:32
                                        Why does that matter? - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:43:14
                                             RE: Why does that matter? - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:44:17
                                             Why does it matter? You might actually be retarded (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:43:47
                                                  I think he's doing a TBoner thing - Columbian Gold MU - 1/23 18:46:04
                                                       It’s a relevant question. If you’re opposed - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:50:02
                                                            Why is it a good thing? (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:50:28
                                                  Possibly. - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:45:08
                                                       Parents should raise their kids - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:46:34
                                                            Should. But if they take their kid away - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:48:52
                                                                 loyalty can't be bought - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 19:07:38
                                                                      Politicians prove that statement false all the time (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/23 20:25:10
                                        The parents. Then the kid can come back as an adult(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/23 18:42:53
          And that was probably the right thing to do - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:25:47
     Because it creates a terrible incentive for - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:20:20
          Birthing tourism IS an avenue for that. - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:24:13
               He just told you one thing, it creates - Outsider MU - 1/23 18:38:34
               It should not be - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:37:57
                    there is legal birth tourism (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:43:32
                         there should not be - FootballRefugee MU - 1/23 18:54:23
                              I haven't made an argument (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:55:20
                              I’m not making an argument. - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:55:16
                                   Do you think it’s good or bad? (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:56:02
                                        This thread is about understanding - haeffb MU - 1/23 19:00:12
                                             why do you think it's bad (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:12:13
                         I don't care (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:44:06
                              is birthright citizenship for children of legal aliens bad?(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:48:07
                                   Yes (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:49:52
                                        what's bad about it? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 18:50:45
                                        Why? (nm) - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:50:31
                                             If they don't think America is a good enough - Bosalphus KC - 1/23 18:51:09
     Being an American means something - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:17:42
          "Having American lineage makes you an American" - Nebraska99 STL - 1/23 18:39:45
               Not necessarily - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:47:03
          Your great grandfather was an American - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:26:46
               RE: Your great grandfather was an American - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:51:15
               Correct - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:29:15
                    Your birthright, one might say? - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:31:12
                         RE: Your birthright, one might say? - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:57:06
                         I am not owed - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/23 18:34:28
                              Did your family skip the boomer generation? - haeffb MU - 1/23 18:37:27
                                   RE: Did your family skip the boomer generation? - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/24 00:58:32




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