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It's not "set down" and it's not "enforced".

Posted on: November 19, 2023 at 12:20:37 CT
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This is your disconnect.

It provides organic organizing principles for a just society. To the extent govt exists and "sets down" laws, we would hope that it aligns as best as possible with the natural law. Otherwise, that govt creates its own victims.
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Interesting to see the debate below on the meaning of - *M* KC - 11/19 11:39:03
     You mean the church that said that we shouldn't eat meat - CulturedDan MU - 11/19 16:44:40
          That's not dogma. Don't embarrass yourself (nm) - Nohawks KC - 11/19 18:29:28
     questions: - DesertTiger MU - 11/19 16:22:15
          His pope just said trannies can get baptized. - CulturedDan MU - 11/19 16:45:19
               the real imperative is keeping the folks in the club (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/19 19:19:50
     yeah, but one of them claims He is right - 90Tiger STL - 11/19 15:14:13
     smugs involved? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 11/19 14:14:47
     The “literal” interpretation 4Tigs pushes is silly when - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 13:14:37
          So you believe God has the power to raise the dead - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 13:47:23
               There is no scientific evidence of a global flood of that - KC rules MU - 11/19 15:55:41
                    He doesn’t understand that what God can do is not the same - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 16:00:55
               Puny human understanding describes your interpretation. You - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:24:58
               It is fortunate that salvation doesn't depend upon - tigerinhogtown STL - 11/19 14:05:54
                    Absolutely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 14:42:29
                         Nope. No one is discounting God. Just saying your - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 15:03:52
          RE: The “literal” interpretation 4Tigs pushes is silly when - *M* KC - 11/19 13:36:48
     wrong board (nm) - pickle MU - 11/19 12:42:20
          RE: wrong board (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/19 12:45:52
     So...weren't his disciples simply other men, who - GA Tiger MU - 11/19 12:18:53
     Romans established the RCC. There is no evidence that Peter - BH O'bonga MU - 11/19 12:18:39
          The Romans ? The same people who were hunting them down - Nohawks KC - 11/20 09:39:19
          RE: Romans established the RCC. There is no evidence that Peter - sarasotatiger MU - 11/20 07:21:48
          RE: Romans established the RCC. There is no evidence that Peter - *M* KC - 11/19 12:26:48
               RE: Romans established the RCC. There is no evidence that Peter - BH O'bonga MU - 11/19 13:50:46
     Lol. Protestants range from biblically based to nonsense - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/19 11:58:01
          RE: Lol. Protestants range from biblically based to nonsense - *M* KC - 11/19 12:02:57
               Not all Protestants are sola scriptura. The Wesleyan - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:37:36
               RE: Lol. Protestants range from: Ironic. I've never met a - BH O'bonga MU - 11/19 14:09:46
                    Lol. Right. How many Catholics for example - Nohawks KC - 11/19 20:09:43
               Totally disagee - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:04:45
                    Jesus said to teach them “to obey ALL that i have - *M* KC - 11/19 12:13:55
                         Holy Scripture tells us not to focus on the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:19:15
                              RE: Holy Scripture tells us not to focus on the - *M* KC - 11/19 12:23:32
                                   John 6:63 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:28:04
                                        Lol. As if the Bible interprets itself - Nohawks KC - 11/19 18:32:55
                                        But you do just that. You pick man’s interpretation against - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:40:14
                                             By science - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 14:43:31
                                                  Science doesn’t say anything about it. What does that have - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:53:15
                                                       You claimed it as part of the entire body of evidence - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 15:02:40
                                                            Science says nothing. Why is that so hard to grasp?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 15:07:31
                                                                 Do you think science supports people who have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 15:08:59
                                                                      Asked and answered. Science says nothing about it. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 15:09:51
                                        RE: John 6:63 - *M* KC - 11/19 12:39:28
                                             He tossed those aside as heresy when I pointed out church - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:41:10
                                                  Hersey against the clear Word of God is nothing new - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 14:44:51
                                                       The incorrect assumption of yours is that anyone is - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 16:23:53
          There is not a damn thing that man can not and has not - JG MU - 11/19 12:02:35
     💯 facts(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/19 11:47:12
     My greatest issue with that discussion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 11:46:02
          Your problem is reading it “literally” and ignoring the - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 13:00:53
          Yup, that's why it's called faith. The same science that - hokie VT - 11/19 12:04:13
               Science has proven the catholic church wrong many times - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/19 13:30:30
               Why lie? You will not find a single scientist that says they - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 13:20:39
                    Really, not a single one? Zero? Do you know each and - hokie VT - 11/19 14:20:50
                         Argument from silence fallacy. Science doesn’t PROVE - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:42:38
               Scripture tells us the wisdom of man is foolishness - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:06:59
          I have zero issues with any of that - meatiger MU - 11/19 11:57:58
               And that is why I have never done that(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 11:58:57
                    Yes you do - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:01:37
                         When have I ever attempted to force my religious - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:02:19
                              RE: When have I ever attempted to force my religious - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:04:21
                                   So you cannot back up your claim - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:05:33
                                        Childish. lol (nm) - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:15:54
                                             Making claims one cannot back up - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:17:00
                                                  RE: Making claims one cannot back up - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:22:43
                                                       The state should be able to offer benefits to any couple - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:24:41
                                                            Marriage is defined by the State - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:27:36
                                                                 They took the word and defined it for their - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:29:45
                                                                      And here you go twisting again(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:30:38
                                                                           I have never said anything different - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:32:34
          OK - *M* KC - 11/19 11:52:09
               It is clear a man is not a literal vine - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 11:57:08
                    RE: It is clear a man is not a vine - *M* KC - 11/19 12:02:08
                         I'll take God at His word - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:03:20
                              Yet you interpret “vine” to mean something other than - *M* KC - 11/19 12:10:29
                                   Explain to me using common sense and reason - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:16:15
                                        RE: Explain to me using common sense and reason - *M* KC - 11/19 12:26:20
                                             But he cannot create the world in 6 days or - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:33:27
                                                  Absolutely He can.. the question is whether he did. - *M* KC - 11/19 12:42:28
                              If only(nm) - JG MU - 11/19 12:05:20
                                   Lol damn dude you still beggin for 4tiga attention? - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/19 12:20:15
                    yet you sin all the damn time on this board - JG MU - 11/19 11:58:39
          Science has seveal scenarios where a person can lay - JG MU - 11/19 11:50:49
               What about xenu?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/19 11:53:08
                    How stupid and dishonest does one have to be to - JG MU - 11/19 11:54:39
                         Lol poor jg(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/19 12:14:22
     The current Pope is a communist though. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:42:18
          RE: The current Pope is a communist though. (nm) - *M* KC - 11/19 11:53:39
               No, he's a commie POS (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 11/19 13:40:39
               he’s a commie and he’s evil (nm) - pickle MU - 11/19 12:48:46
               No, I'm going off his own words here - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:58:36
          Yes - and a heterodox theologian(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 11:46:33
     Wouldn't have that problem with natural rights, they aren't - hokie VT - 11/19 11:41:55
          There are many writings on the natural law and natural - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:43:24
               They've all been debated, vetted, agreed-upon, and codified? - hokie VT - 11/19 11:46:33
                    You ever signed an agreement that - meatiger MU - 11/19 13:39:34
                    Have you taken time to read this? - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:52:30
                    Yes to the first two words, for the most part to the third - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:51:31
                         How will those natural laws be a set town? On tablets, in a - hokie VT - 11/19 12:06:55
                              It's not "set down" and it's not "enforced". - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:20:37
                                   So the basis of your society is the, "HOPE that it aligns as - hokie VT - 11/19 12:28:56
                                        By far, the most accurate real life example of what I am - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:35:09
                         RE: Yes to the first two words, for the most part to the third - *M* KC - 11/19 11:54:49
                              Then one of them applied bad logic. - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:02:53
                                   Who decides which person used bad logic? What if there are - hokie VT - 11/19 12:14:03
                                        Logic decides. - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:17:07
                                             Your argument is a tautology(nm) - *M* KC - 11/19 12:44:10
                                                  For one, I'm not really making an argument in this thread - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:47:28
                                                       You are setting forth a, position and asserting that - *M* KC - 11/19 13:05:07
                                                            it isn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 11/19 13:11:10
                                                                 Yes it is(nm) - *M* KC - 11/19 13:17:00
                                                                      it isn’t - pickle MU - 11/19 13:29:15
                                                                           Yes, it is.(nm) - *M* KC - 11/19 13:34:25
                                             So, if a murder is committed, a superior all right has - hokie VT - 11/19 12:21:09
                                                  Yes, and to take it a step back, we understand the concept - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:27:35
                                                       I asked five questions. Your answer was "YES", to each - hokie VT - 11/19 12:32:09
                                                            I answered the only question that is in - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:37:03
                                                                 How convenient for you. Nm - hokie VT - 11/19 13:00:21
                                                                      he’s trying to help you - pickle MU - 11/19 13:09:39
                              It comes down to authority - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:01:38
                                   I know I'm going to heaven - alzoo MU - 11/19 12:57:03




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