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Then one of them applied bad logic.

Posted on: November 19, 2023 at 12:02:53 CT
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The only room for debate is on the axioms.

Otherwise, logic yields truths from those axioms.

The axiom for natural rights and the natural law is that each human has a superior right to his own life. Go ahead and debate that.
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Interesting to see the debate below on the meaning of - *M* KC - 11/19 11:39:03
     You mean the church that said that we shouldn't eat meat - CulturedDan MU - 11/19 16:44:40
          That's not dogma. Don't embarrass yourself (nm) - Nohawks KC - 11/19 18:29:28
     questions: - DesertTiger MU - 11/19 16:22:15
          His pope just said trannies can get baptized. - CulturedDan MU - 11/19 16:45:19
               the real imperative is keeping the folks in the club (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/19 19:19:50
     yeah, but one of them claims He is right - 90Tiger STL - 11/19 15:14:13
     smugs involved? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 11/19 14:14:47
     The “literal” interpretation 4Tigs pushes is silly when - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 13:14:37
          So you believe God has the power to raise the dead - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 13:47:23
               There is no scientific evidence of a global flood of that - KC rules MU - 11/19 15:55:41
                    He doesn’t understand that what God can do is not the same - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 16:00:55
               Puny human understanding describes your interpretation. You - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:24:58
               It is fortunate that salvation doesn't depend upon - tigerinhogtown STL - 11/19 14:05:54
                    Absolutely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 14:42:29
                         Nope. No one is discounting God. Just saying your - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 15:03:52
          RE: The “literal” interpretation 4Tigs pushes is silly when - *M* KC - 11/19 13:36:48
     wrong board (nm) - pickle MU - 11/19 12:42:20
          RE: wrong board (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/19 12:45:52
     So...weren't his disciples simply other men, who - GA Tiger MU - 11/19 12:18:53
     Romans established the RCC. There is no evidence that Peter - BH O'bonga MU - 11/19 12:18:39
          The Romans ? The same people who were hunting them down - Nohawks KC - 11/20 09:39:19
          RE: Romans established the RCC. There is no evidence that Peter - sarasotatiger MU - 11/20 07:21:48
          RE: Romans established the RCC. There is no evidence that Peter - *M* KC - 11/19 12:26:48
               RE: Romans established the RCC. There is no evidence that Peter - BH O'bonga MU - 11/19 13:50:46
     Lol. Protestants range from biblically based to nonsense - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/19 11:58:01
          RE: Lol. Protestants range from biblically based to nonsense - *M* KC - 11/19 12:02:57
               Not all Protestants are sola scriptura. The Wesleyan - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:37:36
               RE: Lol. Protestants range from: Ironic. I've never met a - BH O'bonga MU - 11/19 14:09:46
                    Lol. Right. How many Catholics for example - Nohawks KC - 11/19 20:09:43
               Totally disagee - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:04:45
                    Jesus said to teach them “to obey ALL that i have - *M* KC - 11/19 12:13:55
                         Holy Scripture tells us not to focus on the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:19:15
                              RE: Holy Scripture tells us not to focus on the - *M* KC - 11/19 12:23:32
                                   John 6:63 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:28:04
                                        Lol. As if the Bible interprets itself - Nohawks KC - 11/19 18:32:55
                                        But you do just that. You pick man’s interpretation against - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:40:14
                                             By science - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 14:43:31
                                                  Science doesn’t say anything about it. What does that have - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:53:15
                                                       You claimed it as part of the entire body of evidence - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 15:02:40
                                                            Science says nothing. Why is that so hard to grasp?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 15:07:31
                                                                 Do you think science supports people who have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 15:08:59
                                                                      Asked and answered. Science says nothing about it. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 15:09:51
                                        RE: John 6:63 - *M* KC - 11/19 12:39:28
                                             He tossed those aside as heresy when I pointed out church - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:41:10
                                                  Hersey against the clear Word of God is nothing new - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 14:44:51
                                                       The incorrect assumption of yours is that anyone is - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 16:23:53
          There is not a damn thing that man can not and has not - JG A - 11/19 12:02:35
     💯 facts(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/19 11:47:12
     My greatest issue with that discussion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 11:46:02
          Your problem is reading it “literally” and ignoring the - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 13:00:53
          Yup, that's why it's called faith. The same science that - hokie VT - 11/19 12:04:13
               Science has proven the catholic church wrong many times - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/19 13:30:30
               Why lie? You will not find a single scientist that says they - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 13:20:39
                    Really, not a single one? Zero? Do you know each and - hokie VT - 11/19 14:20:50
                         Argument from silence fallacy. Science doesn’t PROVE - TigerMatt STL - 11/19 14:42:38
               Scripture tells us the wisdom of man is foolishness - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:06:59
          I have zero issues with any of that - meatiger MU - 11/19 11:57:58
               And that is why I have never done that(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 11:58:57
                    Yes you do - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:01:37
                         When have I ever attempted to force my religious - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:02:19
                              RE: When have I ever attempted to force my religious - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:04:21
                                   So you cannot back up your claim - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:05:33
                                        Childish. lol (nm) - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:15:54
                                             Making claims one cannot back up - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:17:00
                                                  RE: Making claims one cannot back up - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:22:43
                                                       The state should be able to offer benefits to any couple - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:24:41
                                                            Marriage is defined by the State - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:27:36
                                                                 They took the word and defined it for their - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:29:45
                                                                      And here you go twisting again(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/19 12:30:38
                                                                           I have never said anything different - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:32:34
          OK - *M* KC - 11/19 11:52:09
               It is clear a man is not a literal vine - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 11:57:08
                    RE: It is clear a man is not a vine - *M* KC - 11/19 12:02:08
                         I'll take God at His word - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:03:20
                              Yet you interpret “vine” to mean something other than - *M* KC - 11/19 12:10:29
                                   Explain to me using common sense and reason - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:16:15
                                        RE: Explain to me using common sense and reason - *M* KC - 11/19 12:26:20
                                             But he cannot create the world in 6 days or - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:33:27
                                                  Absolutely He can.. the question is whether he did. - *M* KC - 11/19 12:42:28
                              If only(nm) - JG A - 11/19 12:05:20
                                   Lol damn dude you still beggin for 4tiga attention? - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/19 12:20:15
                    yet you sin all the damn time on this board - JG A - 11/19 11:58:39
          Science has seveal scenarios where a person can lay - JG A - 11/19 11:50:49
               What about xenu?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/19 11:53:08
                    How stupid and dishonest does one have to be to - JG A - 11/19 11:54:39
                         Lol poor jg(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/19 12:14:22
     The current Pope is a communist though. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:42:18
          RE: The current Pope is a communist though. (nm) - *M* KC - 11/19 11:53:39
               No, he's a commie POS (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 11/19 13:40:39
               he’s a commie and he’s evil (nm) - pickle MU - 11/19 12:48:46
               No, I'm going off his own words here - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:58:36
          Yes - and a heterodox theologian(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 11:46:33
     Wouldn't have that problem with natural rights, they aren't - hokie VT - 11/19 11:41:55
          There are many writings on the natural law and natural - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:43:24
               They've all been debated, vetted, agreed-upon, and codified? - hokie VT - 11/19 11:46:33
                    You ever signed an agreement that - meatiger MU - 11/19 13:39:34
                    Have you taken time to read this? - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:52:30
                    Yes to the first two words, for the most part to the third - ummmm MU - 11/19 11:51:31
                         How will those natural laws be a set town? On tablets, in a - hokie VT - 11/19 12:06:55
                              It's not "set down" and it's not "enforced". - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:20:37
                                   So the basis of your society is the, "HOPE that it aligns as - hokie VT - 11/19 12:28:56
                                        By far, the most accurate real life example of what I am - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:35:09
                         RE: Yes to the first two words, for the most part to the third - *M* KC - 11/19 11:54:49
                              Then one of them applied bad logic. - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:02:53
                                   Who decides which person used bad logic? What if there are - hokie VT - 11/19 12:14:03
                                        Logic decides. - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:17:07
                                             Your argument is a tautology(nm) - *M* KC - 11/19 12:44:10
                                                  For one, I'm not really making an argument in this thread - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:47:28
                                                       You are setting forth a, position and asserting that - *M* KC - 11/19 13:05:07
                                                            it isn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 11/19 13:11:10
                                                                 Yes it is(nm) - *M* KC - 11/19 13:17:00
                                                                      it isn’t - pickle MU - 11/19 13:29:15
                                                                           Yes, it is.(nm) - *M* KC - 11/19 13:34:25
                                             So, if a murder is committed, a superior all right has - hokie VT - 11/19 12:21:09
                                                  Yes, and to take it a step back, we understand the concept - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:27:35
                                                       I asked five questions. Your answer was "YES", to each - hokie VT - 11/19 12:32:09
                                                            I answered the only question that is in - ummmm MU - 11/19 12:37:03
                                                                 How convenient for you. Nm - hokie VT - 11/19 13:00:21
                                                                      he’s trying to help you - pickle MU - 11/19 13:09:39
                              It comes down to authority - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/19 12:01:38
                                   I know I'm going to heaven - alzoo MU - 11/19 12:57:03




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