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Who poses a bigger threat to the Constitution.... - JayRoy KC - 4/14 14:06:35

Who gives a **** about the constitution? - pickle MU

- 4/14 14:27:40

RE: Who gives a **** about the constitution? - MOCO SON MU - 4/14 14:43:36

Go team(nm) - tcat KC - 4/14 14:40:12

Yeah! That'll tell em (nm) - Outsider MU - 4/14 14:37:08

they are one in the same - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:21:47

Are you going to explain how your system of private - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:24:00

Well... - kmawv8 KC - 4/14 15:33:29

I know - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:37:30

well, you could volunteer to eat a salad, for one - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:53:44

I don't know exactly - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:34:03

So when earlier you criticized my post because it meant - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:35:46

My desired system - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:37:43

So it would be a decentralized force? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:39:59

RE: So it would be a decentralized force? - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:46:04

So without any force at all, how would disputes be resolved? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:51:41

Who said there would never be force?(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:03:44

So you are for forcing behavior among people as long as you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:04:49

Both parties agree ahead of time what force can be used.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:07:02

So what if there is disagreement about what that means - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:08:05

That is why it would be spelled out in the contract. - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:09:08

Arbitrators only have the power if each side consents to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:10:28

That's the point. Consent is given in contract negotiation - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:11:01

But post signing, one party says that is most certainly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:11:55

so..now you are just making up stupid ****(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:12:53

Again, the mechanism for dealing with that is in the - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:12:49

As long as both sides agree the contract is valid - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:14:50

How is a contract that is signed by both parties - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:17:42

You would imagine huh? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:19:20

Try to be less dense. Most likely there would be - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:16:32

Most likely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:18:38

Contract negotiations with arbitration does exist. But it - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:19:50

Until one of the parties refuses to comply - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:20:23

Compliance can be enforced through the mechanisms define - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:21:09

He claims to be a business leader - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:22:55

Oh, I have done many of them and they work - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:29:13

Why would it work any differently - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:33:54

Because that is how it works now - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:36:47

And the presence or absence of government - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:38:57

by "business leader" he meant "trough feeder" (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:23:37

careful, Matt, or fatty won't read your posts anymore (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:17:51

this is a foreign concept for the fatty (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:11:26

what??? - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:05:55

Tell me about the force you approve of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:07:22

If someone uses force against you - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:10:16

But say there is no force - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:12:59

why would there be no force? - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:15:03

And they ask nicely over and over again until that person - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:15:45

why would there be no force??(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:18:13

Because the use of force for compliance is wrong - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:19:49

you're confusing enforcement with forcing a - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:23:03

No, it is not if it is agreed upon ahead of time. (nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:21:52

As are the things in most contracts - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:29:56

It has nothing to do with the law - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:35:08

He also seems to forget reputation matters. A business that - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:39:19

Laws come up because at times people decide they are no - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:38:21

That is what contract negotiations are for. The method for - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:42:47

And as long as both parties agree to abide by the contract - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 16:09:25

Except you don't need government. That is where arbitration - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:31:45

who has ever said that?(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:21:38

that's what losers do when they've lost (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:06:22

This reeks of a straw man (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/14 14:31:12

in 4Tigs case, more like a cheeseburger man - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:55:42

It's odd. You never explain how this works. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 14:33:43

you’re very confused - pickle MU

- 4/14 14:39:50

Whenever I ask how their proposed system would actually - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:36:59

this is a lie - pickle MU

- 4/14 14:43:06

Some people cannot think without holding authoritarian - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:46:57

yet when people point out flaws to the current system - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:48:15

He wants a tidy little booklet - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:46:55

more like a tidy little menu (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:57:49

No, I would like any workable answer to how you resolve - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:54:05

What parties? You do understand there are different types o - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:57:05

As I said elsewhere, pick one and work me through the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:59:49

Here is what you don't understand. Use of force CAN be - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:01:39

Like when you get your driver's license and agree to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:02:43

I never signed any such thing - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:04:50

You don't know what you agreed to, do you?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:05:27

The government forces you to get a license - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:09:10

You can drive without a license - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:11:05

No you cannot - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:12:13

Many people drive without a licence - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:15:16

not for long, fatty (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:15:52

Incorrect. The state falsely claims the right to restrict - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:04:43

He wants to be smug and feel superior - pickle MU

- 4/14 14:48:48

exactly, but their system is so, so much better. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 14:41:30

what system are you talking about? (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:58:27

Libertarianism isn’t a system, RHAY - pickle MU

- 4/14 14:47:11

That is the wonderful thing about theory - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:45:55

possibly because your brain is much smaller than - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:59:08

another straw man and another lie (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/14 14:52:49

No one is making those claims except you.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:51:36

I will ask again how disputes would be resolved when two - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:57:04

Again.. what parties? Parents and a kid? Two businesses? - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:58:09

Pick one and walk us through it in detail(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:00:25

why? you never just "picked one" when ordering from - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:01:07

How would anyone know what it would look like? It would - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:44:37

So here is a most basic question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:47:29

peacefully and unpeacefully - pickle MU

- 4/14 15:06:57

Depends. There are many kinds of disputes. Between - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:50:59

Correct, and in each of those there is force and authority - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:52:56

lol no (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/14 15:09:42

You are asking a vague question when in reality there are - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:54:14

Give me any form of answer to any form of relationship - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:57:48

When two businesses come to contract talks, they - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:00:06

So when one side says, "wait, I no longer want to do that" - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:01:27

What does their contract say?(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:02:12

Why does it matter if they aren't going to abide by it?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:03:08

No one is going to sign a contract if there are not - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:06:07

Who would enforce it?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:08:43

Whoever was agreed upon in the contract.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:47:05

so, yet again, you provide zero answers. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 14:57:43

Damn you are dumb.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:58:59

it's the retardation (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:01:32

Once you catch on, it becomes amusing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:58:50

Yup. No one will ever use force, or cheat in their society. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 15:06:07

I love days like this one(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:09:06

days when you and RHAY misrepresent the views of others? - SwampTiger MU - 4/14 15:12:28

I'm sure that makes you all feel better, but it's not true. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 15:27:03

you have never pointed out my views, much less their flaws (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/14 15:30:35

nice straw man (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:06:38

That's it! Hire an army of strawmen to defend ! - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 15:11:27

no, I point out a straw man when you use a straw man - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:12:20

Why would he fully explain the system - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:36:42

No one makes such a claim.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:30:42

Several have criticized my appreciation for our - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:33:56

No one criticizes your appreciation for the Supreme Court - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:35:26

Here you go - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:39:06

One of my issues was timeline - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:45:10

First, you are wrong on what the Sheriff told us - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:55:54

dems as they work insidiously to destroy both our - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:20:06

System of authority that will work to protect it - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:23:05

Tell me how that happens or has ever happened in societies - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:24:56

All of the above(nm) - tcat KC - 4/14 14:16:54

RE: Who poses a bigger threat to the Constitution: Those - BH O'bonga MU - 4/14 14:09:35

But say there is no force

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