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Some people cannot think without holding authoritarian

Posted on: April 14, 2021 at 14:46:57 CT
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concepts such as setting up a system that everyone then has to accept.

They can't understand that in a society where everything is based upon mutual agreement, there will not always be a single system, but multiple ways of handling issues.

Edited by TigerMatt at 14:47:28 on 04/14/21
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Who poses a bigger threat to the Constitution.... - JayRoy KC - 4/14 14:06:35
     Who gives a **** about the constitution? - pickle MU - 4/14 14:27:40
          RE: Who gives a **** about the constitution? - MOCO SON MU - 4/14 14:43:36
          Go team(nm) - tcat KC - 4/14 14:40:12
          Yeah! That'll tell em (nm) - Outsider MU - 4/14 14:37:08
     they are one in the same - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:21:47
          Are you going to explain how your system of private - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:24:00
               Well... - kmawv8 KC - 4/14 15:33:29
                    I know - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:37:30
               well, you could volunteer to eat a salad, for one - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:53:44
               I don't know exactly - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:34:03
                    So when earlier you criticized my post because it meant - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:35:46
                         My desired system - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:37:43
                              So it would be a decentralized force? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:39:59
                                   RE: So it would be a decentralized force? - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:46:04
                                        So without any force at all, how would disputes be resolved? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:51:41
                                             Who said there would never be force?(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:03:44
                                                  So you are for forcing behavior among people as long as you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:04:49
                                                       Both parties agree ahead of time what force can be used.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:07:02
                                                            So what if there is disagreement about what that means - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:08:05
                                                                 That is why it would be spelled out in the contract. - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:09:08
                                                                      Arbitrators only have the power if each side consents to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:10:28
                                                                           That's the point. Consent is given in contract negotiation - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:11:01
                                                                                But post signing, one party says that is most certainly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:11:55
                                                                                     so..now you are just making up stupid ****(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:12:53
                                                                                     Again, the mechanism for dealing with that is in the - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:12:49
                                                                                          As long as both sides agree the contract is valid - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:14:50
                                                                                               How is a contract that is signed by both parties - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:17:42
                                                                                                    You would imagine huh? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:19:20
                                                                                               Try to be less dense. Most likely there would be - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:16:32
                                                                                                    Most likely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:18:38
                                                                                                         Contract negotiations with arbitration does exist. But it - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:19:50
                                                                                                              Until one of the parties refuses to comply - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:20:23
                                                                                                                   Compliance can be enforced through the mechanisms define - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:21:09
                                                                                                                        He claims to be a business leader - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:22:55
                                                                                                                             Oh, I have done many of them and they work - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:29:13
                                                                                                                                  Why would it work any differently - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:33:54
                                                                                                                                       Because that is how it works now - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:36:47
                                                                                                                                            And the presence or absence of government - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:38:57
                                                                                                                             by "business leader" he meant "trough feeder" (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:23:37
                                                                                                    careful, Matt, or fatty won't read your posts anymore (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:17:51
                                                                                this is a foreign concept for the fatty (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:11:26
                                                       what??? - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:05:55
                                                            Tell me about the force you approve of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:07:22
                                                                 If someone uses force against you - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:10:16
                                                                      But say there is no force - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:12:59
                                                                           why would there be no force? - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:15:03
                                                                                And they ask nicely over and over again until that person - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:15:45
                                                                                     why would there be no force??(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:18:13
                                                                                          Because the use of force for compliance is wrong - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:19:49
                                                                                               you're confusing enforcement with forcing a - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:23:03
                                                                                               No, it is not if it is agreed upon ahead of time. (nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:21:52
                                                                                                    As are the things in most contracts - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:29:56
                                                                                                         It has nothing to do with the law - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:35:08
                                                                                                              He also seems to forget reputation matters. A business that - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:39:19
                                                                                                              Laws come up because at times people decide they are no - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:38:21
                                                                                                                   That is what contract negotiations are for. The method for - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:42:47
                                                                                                                        And as long as both parties agree to abide by the contract - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 16:09:25
                                                                                                         Except you don't need government. That is where arbitration - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:31:45
                                                                                               who has ever said that?(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:21:38
                                                            that's what losers do when they've lost (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:06:22
               This reeks of a straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 4/14 14:31:12
                    in 4Tigs case, more like a cheeseburger man - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:55:42
                    It's odd. You never explain how this works. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 14:33:43
                         you’re very confused - pickle MU - 4/14 14:39:50
                         Whenever I ask how their proposed system would actually - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:36:59
                              this is a lie - pickle MU - 4/14 14:43:06
                                   Some people cannot think without holding authoritarian - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:46:57
                                        yet when people point out flaws to the current system - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:48:15
                                   He wants a tidy little booklet - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:46:55
                                        more like a tidy little menu (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:57:49
                                        No, I would like any workable answer to how you resolve - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:54:05
                                             What parties? You do understand there are different types o - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:57:05
                                                  As I said elsewhere, pick one and work me through the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:59:49
                                                       Here is what you don't understand. Use of force CAN be - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:01:39
                                                            Like when you get your driver's license and agree to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:02:43
                                                                 I never signed any such thing - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:04:50
                                                                      You don't know what you agreed to, do you?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:05:27
                                                                           The government forces you to get a license - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:09:10
                                                                                You can drive without a license - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:11:05
                                                                                     No you cannot - meatiger MU - 4/14 15:12:13
                                                                                          Many people drive without a licence - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:15:16
                                                                                               not for long, fatty (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:15:52
                                                                 Incorrect. The state falsely claims the right to restrict - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:04:43
                                        He wants to be smug and feel superior - pickle MU - 4/14 14:48:48
                              exactly, but their system is so, so much better. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 14:41:30
                                   what system are you talking about? (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:58:27
                                   Libertarianism isn’t a system, RHAY - pickle MU - 4/14 14:47:11
                                   That is the wonderful thing about theory - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:45:55
                                        possibly because your brain is much smaller than - ashtray UF - 4/14 14:59:08
                                        another straw man and another lie (nm) - pickle MU - 4/14 14:52:49
                                        No one is making those claims except you.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:51:36
                                             I will ask again how disputes would be resolved when two - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:57:04
                                                  Again.. what parties? Parents and a kid? Two businesses? - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:58:09
                                                       Pick one and walk us through it in detail(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:00:25
                                                            why? you never just "picked one" when ordering from - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:01:07
                                   How would anyone know what it would look like? It would - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:44:37
                                        So here is a most basic question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:47:29
                                             peacefully and unpeacefully - pickle MU - 4/14 15:06:57
                                             Depends. There are many kinds of disputes. Between - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:50:59
                                                  Correct, and in each of those there is force and authority - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:52:56
                                                       lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 4/14 15:09:42
                                                       You are asking a vague question when in reality there are - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:54:14
                                                            Give me any form of answer to any form of relationship - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:57:48
                                                                 When two businesses come to contract talks, they - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:00:06
                                                                      So when one side says, "wait, I no longer want to do that" - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:01:27
                                                                           What does their contract say?(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:02:12
                                                                                Why does it matter if they aren't going to abide by it?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:03:08
                                                                                     No one is going to sign a contract if there are not - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:06:07
                                                                                          Who would enforce it?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:08:43
                                                                                               Whoever was agreed upon in the contract.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 15:47:05
                                                            so, yet again, you provide zero answers. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 14:57:43
                                                                 Damn you are dumb.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:58:59
                                                                      it's the retardation (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:01:32
                                                                 Once you catch on, it becomes amusing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:58:50
                                                                      Yup. No one will ever use force, or cheat in their society. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 15:06:07
                                                                           I love days like this one(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 15:09:06
                                                                                days when you and RHAY misrepresent the views of others? - SwampTiger MU - 4/14 15:12:28
                                                                                     I'm sure that makes you all feel better, but it's not true. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 15:27:03
                                                                                          you have never pointed out my views, much less their flaws (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/14 15:30:35
                                                                           nice straw man (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:06:38
                                                                                That's it! Hire an army of strawmen to defend ! - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/14 15:11:27
                                                                                     no, I point out a straw man when you use a straw man - ashtray UF - 4/14 15:12:20
                         Why would he fully explain the system - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:36:42
               No one makes such a claim.(nm) - TigerMatt - 4/14 14:30:42
                    Several have criticized my appreciation for our - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:33:56
                         No one criticizes your appreciation for the Supreme Court - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:35:26
                              Here you go - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:39:06
                                   One of my issues was timeline - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:45:10
                                        First, you are wrong on what the Sheriff told us - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:55:54
     dems as they work insidiously to destroy both our - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:20:06
          System of authority that will work to protect it - meatiger MU - 4/14 14:23:05
               Tell me how that happens or has ever happened in societies - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/14 14:24:56
     All of the above(nm) - tcat KC - 4/14 14:16:54
     RE: Who poses a bigger threat to the Constitution: Those - BH O'bonga MU - 4/14 14:09:35




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