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And I just gave you three alternatives to your premise.

Posted on: September 22, 2020 at 11:30:19 CT
DHighlander NWMSU
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Why should we accept the premise you are choosing.

An argument is only valid if everyone accepts the premise. Therefore Natural Rights exist only when your premise is accepted. But you have made the claim that Natural Rights are abolute and everyone has to accept them. That forces people to accept your chosen premise. Thast is not the way these things work.

Why is your coice of premises the only valid one of the three.
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Trump just told the UN he puts America first - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 09:09:33
     Is the CEO of a company expected to put the interest - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:25:15
          Ask Feeji - Wildcat KSU - 9/22 09:48:14
          Isn't the "CEO" of the federal government supposed to - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:33:22
               Care to explain how he is not doing that? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:37:09
                    CEO of fed govt (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/22 09:43:11
                    he is literally not the CEO (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 09:41:18
                         CEO - Chief Executive Officer. He literally leads the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:47:04
                              Just stop talking out your ass - pickle MU - 9/22 09:58:19
                                   Then dispute what I stated. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 10:07:59
                                        he is not CEO of the country (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 10:13:29
                                             Declarative statement, no support.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:15:44
                                                  do you understand what confederation, republic, - pickle MU - 9/22 11:28:47
                              "literally" (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:50:48
                    Where is "putting the country first" in the Constitution? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:37:52
                         Here are his Constitutional powers and authority - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:43:08
                              That's not how the Constitution works. It's a document of - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:45:23
                                   So which of those powers and authorities would suggest that - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:49:44
                                        the president does NOT oversee the country - pickle MU - 9/22 10:35:25
                                             He is in charge of the executive branch. They are charged - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:05:38
                                                  no, DH. that is completely wrong (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 11:10:42
                                                       You love making declarative statements without any support. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:15:09
                                        I even tried to preempt this. - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:50:38
                                             It is a binary solution either he puts the country first or - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:57:16
                                                  In the context of the Constitution, it's not a binary issue - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:03:48
          goddamn you are dumb (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 09:30:39
               ^^ Another insightful post from the board idiot. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:35:09
                    It’s the absolute truth (nm) - Panthera MU - 9/22 10:34:04
                    coercive relationships versus voluntary relationships - pickle MU - 9/22 09:36:57
                         ^^ another insightful post from the board idiot. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:40:32
                              i cannot stress enough just how stupid you are - pickle MU - 9/22 10:40:30
                                   RIF - I said it would be useless for you to read it becuase - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:17:24
                              RE: ^^ another insightful post from the board idiot. - Savage KC - 9/22 10:30:12
     The focus should be on individualism and individual rights - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:21:54
          yeah, but it's not so we need a big brother to keep us safe(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/22 09:36:07
          yes but it takes yer nation to hold off globalists and - TigerFan92 STL - 9/22 09:24:37
               dynamite drop in GOPFan92 (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/22 09:44:07
               I'm not defending the UN. (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:26:35
                    then don't (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/22 09:39:23
                         RE: then don't (nm) - Panthera MU - 9/22 10:35:19
                         You think my support of individualism is a defense of a - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:40:53
                              Your willingness to allow globalists to control the US means - TigerFan92 STL - 9/22 10:49:22
                                   are you on drugs? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 11:11:33
                                   Huh? My willingness? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/22 11:09:02
                                        You don’t want them protected (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/22 11:39:26
          Should there be team sports or just individual - hokie VT - 9/22 09:24:28
               RE: Should there be team sports or just individual - Panthera MU - 9/22 10:35:46
               Oh man, this makes so much sense (nm) - Sal MU - 9/22 09:28:44
                    this is what you get when you are taught to believe - pickle MU - 9/22 09:30:05
               There's a difference between people voluntarily forming - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:26:10
                    and he doesn’t, by the way - pickle MU - 9/22 09:32:44
                    Voluntarily, got it. Are american citizens forced to live - hokie VT - 9/22 09:32:04
                         are they forced to work for Kroger? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 09:33:10
                         No, they are forced to associate with the govt - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:32:34
                              Are there rules (kinda like laws) that memebers of the - hokie VT - 9/22 09:37:16
                                   why do you not understand rights? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 09:45:16
                                   RE: Are there rules (kinda like laws) that memebers of the - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:40:16
                                        Really, players are not forced to attend practices or - hokie VT - 9/22 09:45:35
                                             you are unreachable (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 10:22:19
                                             That is a simple idea that is way beyond the idiot's grasp. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:53:44
                                                  I like the part where stupid people say yeah, they may be - hokie VT - 9/22 09:58:11
                                                       Uprooting your family and moving thousands of miles away - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:01:45
                                                            More than just a hassle. I'm sure it's tough, princess. If - hokie VT - 9/22 10:11:06
                                                                 Canada likely won't accept the person from Montana, fyi. - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:13:35
                                                                      What if you don't have family or career or friends that - hokie VT - 9/22 10:23:17
                                                                           That doesn't even remotely seem like quitting a baseball - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:27:16
                                                  No, it's you guys that talk about "tacit consent" even - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:55:38
                                             RE: Really, players are not forced to attend practices or - ummmm MU - 9/22 09:49:10
                                                  Earlier you said, - hokie VT - 9/22 09:55:54
                                                       The Pickletopians believe that every citizen should have - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 10:03:14
                                                            What is an example of this? - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:04:31
                                                                 You claim natural rights are a given and refuse to accept - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 10:12:49
                                                                      Touche. Well stated. nm - hokie VT - 9/22 10:18:52
                                                                      So, you're saying that I refuse to grant veto powers to - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:18:37
                                                                           What are natural rights and who defines them? What if - hokie VT - 9/22 10:20:15
                                                                                You have to be kidding me. This has been explained 1,000 - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:22:24
                                                                                     Why do we have to accept natural rights but are expected to - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 10:54:10
                                                                                          you said you do not agree with the premise - pickle MU - 9/22 10:57:25
                                                                                               Prove that premise. There are multiple alternatives that - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:13:23
                                                                                                    because that’s how proofs work - pickle MU - 9/22 11:18:39
                                                                                                         And I just gave you three alternatives to your premise. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:30:19
                                                                                     You just said that i can reject the premise. What happens - hokie VT - 9/22 10:27:41
                                                                                          Nothing happens if you, hokie, rejects the premise. - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:28:51
                                                                                               So after hitler misbehaves, what happens? And what - hokie VT - 9/22 10:45:45
                                                                                                    Millions of people die, of course. (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/22 11:09:47
                                                       RE: Earlier you said, - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:00:53
                                                            Didn't the schools have to pay to join the SEC and - hokie VT - 9/22 10:06:45
                                                                 Okay, here it goes again: - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:12:16
                                                                      You and john roberts define taxes or fees depending on - hokie VT - 9/22 10:16:51
                                                                           Lol. I'm not the one that supports the system where SCOTUS - ummmm MU - 9/22 10:20:25
                                                                                Neither does the government. We elect people to pass laws - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:00:30
                                                                                     RE: Neither does the government. We elect people to pass laws - pickle MU - 9/22 11:02:54
                                                                                          Voluntary - We elect the people who pass those taxes. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:21:59
                                                                                               that’s not voluntary, DH; that’s coercive (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 11:27:31
                                                                                                    It is Constitutional. The Constitution is the law of this - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:31:13
                                                                                                         it’s coercive, not voluntary (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 12:11:56
                                                                                               I haven't elected anyone. (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/22 11:26:44
                                                                                                    Then, in our system you have the three choices I outlined - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:34:26
                                                                                          Maybe if they couch it in the 100th different way, they will - ummmm MU - 9/22 11:10:34
                    it’s incredible (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 09:28:08
     And by America, Trump really means himself. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 9/22 09:20:47
          yeah he's making a killing off being president.(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/22 09:22:04
               Yeah, he is. Every time he plays golf. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 9/22 09:23:36
                    You are a 1st grader - Wildcat KSU - 9/22 09:50:12
                    RE: Yeah, he is. Every time he plays golf: Wow, that must - BH O'bonga MU - 9/22 09:25:46
                         The taxpayers pay his resort for golf carts, rooms, and food - SparkyStalcup MU - 9/22 09:46:10
                              What are the per diem rates? (nm) - Sal MU - 9/22 09:47:52
                    lol (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/22 09:25:44
          Hasn't he lost money since being in office? (nm) - Sal MU - 9/22 09:21:39
               If so, he would have lost far more if the government hadn't - SparkyStalcup MU - 9/22 09:24:43
                    Cool take, if Trump were in fact drawing a salary from the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 09:28:31
                    Yes, Trump became president so that he could make - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 09:26:43
                    So he's not making more money - Sal MU - 9/22 09:26:39
     Obama was POTW. All countries were equal. He won the - hokie VT - 9/22 09:16:50
     It's racist (nm) - zoomer 99 - 9/22 09:12:53




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