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Posted on: February 24, 2020 at 09:21:06 CT
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Again, you show a rational, realistic view of the football program which stands out on this board of hyperbole.

As an ancient compared to many here, I can look back at our history and remember when MIZZOU had many games where attendance topped 70,000 people and the "Hill" was covered with general admission folk. In the 60's and 70's, our attendance numbers were among the top 20. Then came the '80's when the program tanked. So did attendance.

We went thru 13 consecutive losing seasons, had a 7 win and then an 8 win season, then back to losing for 3 more years. Much of the deep rooted fan support that the program established was lost. With all games being televised, it became even harder to sell tickets.

Through his tenure, Pinkel re-established a fan base due to consistent winning seasons but it has been an uphill battle. Odom could not excite the fan base and had only mediocre success which got him canned.

With all that said, we had a history of good fan support until the losing streak. It recovered partly then took another downturn recently. I think it can recover, it can improve, but only if we have success on the field. As stated elsewhere, sports fans in StL and KC have options that don't require a two hour drive to the middle of the state. Put a winner on the field and they'll return.

The short answer would be, give us a winning program and we'll support it. Losing will drive many away. Compared to the traditional SEC such as LSU, our fan support is conditional. Yet I remain optimist. There is a huge MIZZOU alum base which hungers for a winner and it will rise up.

I will be there win or loss, thru good and bad. That's how I was taught growing up. Family tradition.
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     KU fans, Mizzou detractors, and - Guinny_Ire MU - 2/25 15:57:34
     The only certainty on this board is that if Drink - HDTiger MU - 2/25 00:15:53
          I wholeheartedly disagree - Guinny_Ire MU - 2/25 16:07:01
          One thing is an absolute fact. If Drink does the exact same - alwaysright MU - 2/25 06:57:19
               Drink will be a huge upgrade...yes you can save this post... - BandG MU - 2/25 22:06:02
                    I expect him to be an upgrade from Odom. - alwaysright MU - 2/26 17:15:11
               Thank you........nm - HDTiger MU - 2/25 08:48:06
                    Not gonna happen though - alwaysright MU - 2/25 12:00:45
     The answer is No -- nm - ScottsdaleTiger MU - 2/24 21:13:20
     IMO part of the issue with fan support was the great drought - Zamboni STL - 2/24 13:15:20
          i was there 84-90. it sucked dog ass (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/24 18:25:41
          That was totally it. I grew up going to games in early 70's - Uncle John KC - 2/24 15:18:43
          That was my childhood - Eggs MU - 2/24 14:17:18
          good observation - mgtiger MU - 2/24 13:53:31
          Basically gave up on football, and years later hired - Newcatbirdseat MU - 2/24 13:46:15
               RE: Basically gave up on football, and years later hired - go tigers MU - 2/24 20:29:08
                    Yes, Haith had a .731 win percentage and then Kim came along - Newcatbirdseat MU - 2/24 20:36:13
                         Ah yes, the old moron that can’t see more than 5” in front - alwaysright MU - 2/25 12:06:00
               The time for Mizzou to make a commitment to athletics was - alwaysright MU - 2/24 16:17:32
               Doubt we have the Athletic Director for that ... - samclemens MU - 2/24 14:05:52
          RE: IMO part of the issue with fan support was the great drought - sarasotatiger MU - 2/24 13:41:16
     There is but they are front runners - justwinbaby KC - 2/24 13:03:07
     Fair post, but at least this board is not like a Vol Board - 615Tiger STL - 2/24 12:39:22
     RE: I have been a member here for about eight and half years. - sarasotatiger MU - 2/24 12:09:59
     It is just not a priority - Blitzkrieg OU - 2/24 11:47:24
          Well said - Genco98 MU - 2/25 09:25:40
          Agreed. And yes I do deserve to see a better product, but I - go tigers MU - 2/24 20:31:37
          See Cardinals, Chiefs, Royals, Blues, Battlehawks....nm - Turn2 MU - 2/24 12:00:59
               Negative there on the Battlehawks. Like Sporting KC - Diamond Dave MU - 2/24 12:47:33
                    The Battlehawks have a huge following in St. Louis. (nm) - go tigers MU - 2/24 20:32:26
               That’s the issue with Missouri - Hickeytime MU - 2/24 12:07:55
                    The other issue is cost - Genco98 MU - 2/24 12:15:38
               Pro team distraction is an excuse - Blitzkrieg OU - 2/24 12:03:42
                    Footbawl - Mr. Socko MU - 2/24 20:27:54
                    lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/24 18:26:59
                    So you have minor league sports(nm) - Barnburner KC - 2/24 17:31:18
                    I actually agree with you on this. - KCMIZSEC UGA - 2/24 16:58:44
                    Pro team titles and success trumps non pro sports...nm - Turn2 MU - 2/24 15:41:54
                    OU is in a populated OKC area...If MU was in KC or StL - Turn2 MU - 2/24 15:38:15
                         Good point. Look at Low-rents - closer to KSC than - winslow MU - 2/24 17:27:27
                    Says the guy from Okie with one pro team BASKETBALL! Nm - Turn2 MU - 2/24 15:35:47
                    There were the Rams, Football Cardinals, regular Cardinals - mattieo86 MU - 2/24 13:22:19
                    It can be both. - kmawv8 MU - 2/24 12:11:50
                         Agreed. There is some validity to it, but it is overstated - go tigers MU - 2/24 20:34:07
                         Why pick the Chiefs over Mizzou? - Hickeytime MU - 2/24 12:25:13
                              Ignoring the sarcasm - kmawv8 MU - 2/24 12:28:21
                                   No sarcasm meant - Hickeytime MU - 2/24 12:41:31
                                        Well, their last Super Bowl was last month. - kmawv8 MU - 2/24 13:11:21
                    And one of those universities used to have a stadium - MNTIGER MU - 2/24 12:10:34
     to many other successful teams to follow - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/24 10:28:32
     Just my perception, but it seems like Missourians take the - Fool on the Hill MU - 2/24 10:14:07
          Well, I seen some pretty empty stadiums around lately. - GA Tiger MU - 2/24 11:26:40
               I was also just thinking about the likes of South Bend and - Fool on the Hill MU - 2/24 11:35:11
          Id say Missouri is more like Vanderbilt than Alabama. - STLTIGER MU - 2/24 10:31:19
               number of pro teams to provide diversions - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/24 11:03:48
                    MO: 2nd largest state - MNTIGER MU - 2/24 11:26:30
                         Florida. And Ga.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/24 11:28:10
                              RE: Florida. And Ga.(nm) - MNTIGER MU - 2/24 11:30:55
                                   dumb (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/24 18:28:28
                    MO: 6 million population - MNTIGER MU - 2/24 11:15:26
                         TN is also more populated(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/24 16:22:25
               Somebody else mentioned in this thread the need for hoops to - Fool on the Hill MU - 2/24 10:40:58
     I have said this a number of times - ERB KC - 2/24 09:53:33
          Amen! (nm) - go tigers MU - 2/24 20:36:03
          Nailed it - BigDave MU - 2/24 10:33:50
     Giant has died ---50 years without a title - mu7176grad MU - 2/24 09:46:44
          RE: Giant has died ---50 years without a title - patriot MU - 2/24 14:16:59
          You know what is funny is if we won the conference - Genco98 MU - 2/24 11:28:16
               And it wouldn't make a lick of difference in recruiting.... - ShowMeKid MU - 2/24 11:57:24
                    I don't know about that - Genco98 MU - 2/24 15:45:58
          Another factor: we used to have a strong core of MO kids - Deputy Dawg MU - 2/24 10:20:03
     We have about 35, 000 full-time fans and the rest of our - go tigers MU - 2/24 09:42:47
     your insight is appreciated - mgtiger MU - 2/24 09:21:06
     Pretty hard not to win big at LSU unless you're DiNardo..nm - CoolBreeze22 MU - 2/24 09:11:40
     Put out a consistently good product - samclemens MU - 2/24 08:16:45
          Two years ago in Ed Orgeron's first full season - Ozland Tiger LSU - 2/24 08:54:51
               Also fair each program sets their bar for success - samclemens MU - 2/24 09:13:49
     mostly fairweather fans, win & its a great atmosphere, lose - philobeddoe MU - 2/24 07:57:47
     You interpret things pretty well. - alwaysright MU - 2/24 07:38:46
     I spent my time at MU from 2007-2011 and very rarely - Civil-E-Tiger MU - 2/24 07:34:09
          LOL @ STL/KC fans can't make a two hour drive 3-6 times - ToTheFinishLine MU - 2/24 07:41:48
               no one said they can't. But why would they make a two hour - lqf2b8 MU - 2/24 09:01:14
                    True Mizzou fans attend games whether they win or lose. (nm) - go tigers MU - 2/24 09:47:17
                         You should have seen Al’s 1 win season: tremendous dropoff - tigersailor MU - 2/24 12:10:01
                         Ridiculous. What do 'true Mizzou fans' do if they - MNTIGER MU - 2/24 10:55:43
                         I would say true MU fans watch games whether they win - lqf2b8 MU - 2/24 10:03:26
                              Sorry, but sitting at home watching on tv does not pay - go tigers MU - 2/24 10:19:23
                                   who said anything about sitting at home. What bills are you - lqf2b8 MU - 2/24 10:45:23
                                        I did it for years until kids activities got in the way. - alwaysright MU - 2/25 07:06:45
               RE: LOL @ STL/KC fans can't make a two hour drive 3-6 times - SEMO_Hillbilly UMKC - 2/24 08:58:39
               Throw lodging/gas/food in there for a family of 3-4 and you - Civil-E-Tiger MU - 2/24 08:13:51
               You know season tickets are notably higher than that. - alwaysright MU - 2/24 07:51:04
     Yep way too many trolls. Nick and his mods - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/24 07:22:06
          There was building enthusiasm w Deaton, Alden & GP - tigersailor MU - 2/24 07:56:19
               Oops, my reply should have been to OP; you are right on re - tigersailor MU - 2/24 07:59:05
     Yes. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 2/24 07:21:38
     Not to hate but there are a lot fair weathered fans - mattieo86 MU - 2/24 06:54:28
          Is it fair weather or fans just being tired of an average - Uncle John KC - 2/24 08:16:46
               Definitely fair-weather fans. (nm) - go tigers MU - 2/24 09:45:57
               I'll bite, it's both(nm) - mattieo86 MU - 2/24 09:42:05
     RE: I have been a member here for about eight and half years. - Iam4Mizzou MU - 2/24 06:05:09
     Probably a number of factors have impacted the program's... - Deputy Dawg MU - 2/24 05:51:05
     MU was packed during the 60's and early 70's, we were - MU-TULSA MU - 2/24 02:52:52
     Missouri is first and foremost a professional sports state. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/23 23:02:03
     I honestly don’t see it - Hickeytime MU - 2/23 22:33:50
          Well said - Genco98 MU - 2/24 10:27:33
          Those who hype up StL as a great football town suggested - alwaysright MU - 2/24 07:53:16
          That is a fallacy. I am not a big donor and have had prime - go tigers MU - 2/24 09:49:32
               RE: That is a fallacy. I am not a big donor and have had prime - implode MU - 2/24 19:39:12
          The last part of your post refers more to basketball... - BandG MU - 2/23 22:40:34
          this and Babs taking down prime years of fan growth(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 2/23 22:38:44
               RE: this and Babs taking down prime years of fan growth(nm) - THEGROVE68 MU - 2/23 23:51:55
                    Yup. Bet we lost 25+ % of would be fan base(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 2/24 04:45:00




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