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The fetus is unquestionably a human being. The only

Posted on: June 4, 2019 at 22:33:30 CT
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potential question is whether all human beings are "persons".

The only times people have asserted that some human beings are not in fact persons is when they wanted to deny their humanity.

The two that come to mind are

1. slavery

2. Nazis dehumanizing the Jews and others they considered "unworthy of life".

Of course, dehumanizing the people on the other side of a war is common as well. I've seen some pretty amazing pictures of posters from WWII where the Americans, the Nazis and the Japanese charicatured their opponents, giving them big eyes or heads or made them look like bugs or less human in various ways.

It is easier to kill other people when you can convince yourself that they really aren't human, or are somehow sub-human or not really worthy of life.
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Adolph Hitler vs Liberals. Who has exterminated more? - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 20:34:31
     evolved lol(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 6/4 22:12:09
          I am assuming most people trust the basic tenants of modern - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 22:25:04
               What a conflation of ideas (nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/5 08:45:52
                    Of course, that's an irrelevant detail to his point. - JeffB MU - 6/5 14:19:02
          Yes.. evolved.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 22:13:08
     Jfc - playhard NWMSU - 6/4 21:49:14
          Rather than ad hominems, could you try and engage the - JeffB MU - 6/4 22:06:48
               He can’t(nm) - tigerNkc KC - 6/5 07:01:11
          That's what German citizens told their Jewish neighbors (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 21:57:22
               nobody is breaking down doors and aborting other - 90Tiger STL - 6/4 22:37:49
                    Name me a human that volunteered to be aborted (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 22:44:24
                         that doesn't support your previous idiotic analogy - 90Tiger STL - 6/4 22:52:19
                              Parents aren't allowed to kill their kids, just Hitler isn't - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 22:57:32
                                   give up the analogy and stick to the murder argument. - 90Tiger STL - 6/4 23:01:15
                                        I don't think you know how to explain what you believe (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 23:10:21
     So no republican has had an abortion or impregnated - Macgrantt MU - 6/4 21:35:56
          It was stupid of liberals to make it a political issue... - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 21:55:57
               Conservatives begat the Jim Crow - mizzoumurfkc KC - 6/4 22:13:41
                    Funny way of agreeing that its the Democrats (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 22:30:20
               How could Democrats make it a political issue? - meatiger MU - 6/4 22:00:29
                    So being pro-slavery wasn't a political issue prior to the - JeffB MU - 6/4 22:08:45
                         fair point. - meatiger MU - 6/4 22:23:46
                              The fetus is unquestionably a human being. The only - JeffB MU - 6/4 22:33:30
                                   What about killing mom & dad taking them off life support?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 23:12:28
                                        Removing extraordinary means of keeping someone alive - JeffB MU - 6/5 10:49:21
                                        you have no ability to make the decision to kill your - blake1771 KC - 6/4 23:49:18
                                             So it isn't about morals. Just laws.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/5 01:01:02
                                        Why are you killing Mom & Dad. What did they do to you? (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 23:23:45
               Its been totally brilliant of liberal republicans - JG MU - 6/4 21:59:09
          Well......... - JG MU - 6/4 21:39:57
     As a point of fact 70-85 million people died during WWII - JG MU - 6/4 20:53:03
          cool word dude...twice nm - redngray MU - 6/5 06:32:12
          Nor can you be anti-authoritarian if you want government to - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 21:24:10
               Exactly thats why you are pro government - JG MU - 6/4 21:25:57
                    Are you drunk? That makes no sense.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 21:28:35
                         You believe people have the right to pollute - JG MU - 6/4 21:31:40
                              he doesn't think people "have a right to pollute". you - 90Tiger STL - 6/4 21:50:24
                                   All you pickletonians do, its your blind spot - JG MU - 6/4 21:53:54
                                        you don't understand rights if you think Matt or any - 90Tiger STL - 6/4 22:33:36
                                             I don't think you think that, you think that moran - JG MU - 6/4 23:13:44
                                        Ok Tom Parsons.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 21:56:33
                              You are really dumb. I am against authoritarians like you - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 21:36:34
                                   JG'S like that carrot top CS 1950 chick screaming - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/4 21:40:53
                                        A =A=A - JG MU - 6/4 21:45:52
                                   You're a massive hypocrite and not very - JG MU - 6/4 21:39:13
                                        Here is what your small brain can't comprehend. I have - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 21:42:00
                                             dance and sing - JG MU - 6/4 21:45:30
                                                  No doofus. Someone who believes in natural rights does - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 21:46:59
                                                       You don't actually believe in shiite - JG MU - 6/4 21:49:27
                                                            Here is where you cry no mas.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 21:53:57
                                                                 LOL unfortunately I am conditioned - JG MU - 6/4 21:55:34
                                                                      Conditioned.. because your brain doesn't do the thinking. - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 21:57:10
                                                                           Brains don't do that - JG MU - 6/4 21:59:51
                                                                                JFC, you should read Dennett sometime. Maybe you'd - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 22:04:09
                                                                                     I Dennet read him, don't even know who he is - JG MU - 6/4 22:11:21
                                                                                          Of course you don't. A vet who had never heard of Richard - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 22:17:48
                                                                                               LOL no reason I should know who he is - JG MU - 6/4 22:24:28
                                                                                                    "Brain doesn't do the thinking" statements show why you - TigerMatt STL - 6/4 22:35:51
                                                                                                         I can understand why atheists believe what they believe - JG MU - 6/4 23:16:06
          I hate republicans. And I hate war hawks. Which is - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 21:08:36
               Please define war hawks/war mongers. Or be like the JV - hokie VT - 6/4 21:35:23
                    People that are consistently supporting American... - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 22:54:36
          As a point of fact 1,537+ million have been killed via abort - JeffB MU - 6/4 20:59:52
               If you have ever questioned an EPA policy then JG will label - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/4 21:19:19
                    We call that a lie - JG MU - 6/4 21:20:17
          Please define pro war, and anti-environment. That’s - hokie VT - 6/4 20:58:01
               He believes that environmental groups like - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/4 21:10:54
                    Your first point is a lie - JG MU - 6/4 21:14:44
                         Go ahead a link it again. It is funny when you think you - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/4 21:17:47
                              As you know and of course dishonestly so - JG MU - 6/4 21:18:37
                                   No one but you is actually stupid enough to believe that. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/4 21:21:13
                                        I dunno. I didn’t see the alleged post, but JV never - hokie VT - 6/4 21:28:31
                                        Its not a question of what any of your fellow delusionals - JG MU - 6/4 21:22:04
                                             No it was, as is so often the case with you, about what you - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/4 21:28:29
                                                  LOL I questioned you corrected you showed you - JG MU - 6/4 21:32:41
                         As predicted, changed the subject and attacked. JV. Nm - hokie VT - 6/4 21:16:37
                              Nailed it/changed the subject - JG MU - 6/4 21:17:53
                    He uses fascile arguments with bumper stickers and - hokie VT - 6/4 21:14:35
                         Nah, JG is content to call you a liar and post LOLs for - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/4 21:25:24
                              You even have to lie about that! - JG MU - 6/4 21:28:06
                                   So you deny that you pent the better part of an afternoon - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/4 21:31:08
                                        Yes I flatly reject what you said - JG MU - 6/4 21:33:37
                         SRTSSAD - JG MU - 6/4 21:15:23
               See 2000-2008 for both and 2017-2019 - JG MU - 6/4 21:00:00
                    Typical JV answer. “Go look here, maybe you’ll find it.” Nm - hokie VT - 6/4 21:04:43
                         Its the only way you could possibly learn - JG MU - 6/4 21:05:39
                              You’re a gutless little worm. But no one really expected JV - hokie VT - 6/4 21:11:26
                                   You would get crushed by the JV - JG MU - 6/4 21:16:01
                                        Change the subject and attack. Very JV. Nm - hokie VT - 6/4 21:18:31
                                             LOL at you - JG MU - 6/4 21:19:09
                                                  And tomorrow you’ll tell us how great you were tonight. And - hokie VT - 6/4 21:22:32
                                                       I'm not calling you a liar - JG MU - 6/4 21:24:07
     30 million women killed in the US, but 60 million overall - JeffB MU - 6/4 20:44:36
          I've been using old numbers... and it only keeps going up (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 20:48:47
               Yes, we've averaged more than all of the 911 deaths combined - JeffB MU - 6/4 20:54:30
                    How many were paid for by republicans? - JG MU - 6/4 20:56:05
                         No idea. Nelson Rockefeller was in with the eugenicists - JeffB MU - 6/4 21:04:36
                              Bush family were big proponents of it - JG MU - 6/4 21:06:32
                                   If I recall Barbara Bush was. The Georges may have changed - JeffB MU - 6/4 21:21:45
                                        How many actual abortions are paid for by republicans - JG MU - 6/4 21:23:36
                                             No idea. Abortion stats are scanty enough, none give party - JeffB MU - 6/4 21:26:44
                                                  I'd guess more than half are done by republicans - JG MU - 6/4 21:29:38
                                                       Perhaps, but in general I would consider that relatively - JeffB MU - 6/4 22:01:26
                                                            I'd say it would get to the heart of the hypocitical - JG MU - 6/4 22:12:28
                                                                 You are painting with a very broad brush. Some Republicans - JeffB MU - 6/4 22:23:58
                                                                      I'm not the one making the assertion - JG MU - 6/4 23:18:20
                                                                           You are broad brushing 'Republicans' as being hypocrites - JeffB MU - 6/5 10:57:48
                                                                                Have you ever read this board? - JG MU - 6/5 12:25:51
                                                                                     Sure. I don't think that changes anything. Not sure who - JeffB MU - 6/5 12:56:07
                         The world would be a much better place if your mother had - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/4 20:58:37
                              LOL nice lie - JG MU - 6/4 21:02:16
                                   So you are for outlawing all abortions? Or do you personally - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/4 21:15:25
                                        Yes yes, {spittake}, LOL and LOL - JG MU - 6/4 21:17:08
     You're probably somewhat right - JG MU - 6/4 20:40:33
     how did liberals exterminate babies, exactly? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/4 20:40:16
          Here, former abortionist Dr. Levatino will show you: - JeffB MU - 6/4 20:48:01
               again, how does a liberal, sitting at home, exterminate - 90Tiger STL - 6/4 21:51:40
                    Pro-abortionists definitely participate in the killing of - JeffB MU - 6/4 22:15:22
                         no, to no degree, Jeff. (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/4 22:39:12
                              Those wanting to wash their hands of the evil they are - JeffB MU - 6/5 11:20:01
               It's funny... I used to be pro choice for one reason.... - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 20:55:50
                    'Pro-choice' is an absurd rallying cry. The science is - JeffB MU - 6/4 21:12:24
                         When does human life begin? - JeffB MU - 6/4 21:14:56
                              Another interesting fact. Fetus is latin for “offspring”... - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 21:29:06
                                   Well reasoned, but I would go a step further... - JeffB MU - 6/4 21:55:17
                                        I was actually going to say something similar... which is - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 22:09:27
                                             Yes, I think you have done a good job of thinking things - JeffB MU - 6/4 22:27:30
                    {spit take} - JG MU - 6/4 21:03:26
                         Cause it was indisputable on every level and you can't - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 21:11:23
                              Shore Toro - JG MU - 6/4 21:19:48
                                   ^ This is what massive cognitive dissonance looks like (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 6/4 21:30:48
                                        Shirley not Torito(nm) - JG MU - 6/4 21:54:23




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