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'undermine the confidence in the verdict'

Posted on: February 21, 2018 at 12:54:53 CT
Spanky KU
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Such as revealing 'the Director of the FBI saying the investigators thought Flynn did not lie' might undermine the case a bit

Edited by Spanky at 12:56:31 on 02/21/18
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Judge issues sua sponte order to Mueller team - Silas MU - 2/21 11:29:02
     RE: Judge issues sua sponte order to Mueller team - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/21 11:58:56
          You can talk in circles better than anyone I've ever seen. - zaaguy MU - 2/21 12:44:54
               82 posts in 12 years. Double handles suck - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/21 12:52:32
                    Just saw this and WAY late but.... - zaaguy MU - 2/26 12:18:51
               he's a master "whataboutits" (nm) - Sal KC - 2/21 12:46:24
          😂😂😂😂😂😂 - Silas MU - 2/21 12:06:26
               And - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/21 12:09:17
     Should we put you on suicide watch? (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 2/21 11:58:24
     Yeah, pretty standard stuff going on here - Sal KC - 2/21 11:48:48
          RE: Yeah, pretty standard stuff going on here - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/21 11:59:29
               Could be nothing - Sal KC - 2/21 12:04:17
                    But there's nothing to indictments, guilty pleas and - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/21 12:27:22
                         I'm sure it means something to those individuals - Sal KC - 2/21 12:29:22
                              Papa and Flynn weren't tied to the campaign? Weird - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/21 12:32:00
                                   The indictments were not - Sal KC - 2/21 12:34:56
     How will you defend Mueller - TGR84 MU - 2/21 11:45:56
     Hard to believe a judge had to issue that order - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:32:40
          LOL - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/21 11:35:41
               Im with Spanky. Prosecution is supposed to share evidence - Badird MU - 2/21 11:40:15
                    Flynn plead guilty before he saw the evidence... - DoltfromSTL MU - 2/21 11:59:52
                         The prosecution was required to provide the exculpatory - Spanky KU - 2/21 12:01:18
                              Not if there is no trial and the defendant immediately... - DoltfromSTL MU - 2/21 12:02:45
                                   I don't know if that is true.. Some courts have found - Spanky KU - 2/21 12:17:57
                                        RE: I don't know if that is true.. Some courts have found - DoltfromSTL MU - 2/21 12:23:57
                                             All I am saying is your post made an absolute statement - Spanky KU - 2/21 12:35:21
                    No one here has even - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/21 11:50:20
                         No, the ruling itself gives a very good indication of what - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/21 11:58:47
                              Nope... - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/21 12:05:08
                              Not necessarily - Mormad MU - 2/21 12:01:22
                                   I’m sure someone with the means could check to see if this - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/21 12:03:51
                                        Agree completely. - zaaguy MU - 2/21 12:08:53
                                             🤗 - Silas MU - 2/21 12:11:58
                                                  One example? Hey, good enough...clearly nothing there. - zaaguy MU - 2/21 12:17:55
                                                       Just noticed the case you refer to was the Ted Stevens case? - zaaguy MU - 2/21 12:27:35
                                                            Do you understand sua sponte? - Silas MU - 2/21 12:31:12
                                   RE: Not necessarily - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/21 12:03:50
                         It means he felt the prosecution needed to be ordered to - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:51:30
                              It could mean - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/21 11:55:33
                    They are REQUIRED to do so.. without the defense asking - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:41:24
                         When Flynn plead guilty it is over...Case closed...Done (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 2/21 12:01:52
                              Nope - Spanky KU - 2/21 12:18:46
                                   Yep... - DoltfromSTL MU - 2/21 12:25:20
                              Not if the prosecution acted in bad faith. Overturned. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/21 12:04:06
                                   now that would be some judicial activism - gmmm98 MU - 2/21 12:14:54
                                        None of that matters, if the initial warrant is deemed bad. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/21 12:22:30
                                             oh, that's your angle? - gmmm98 MU - 2/21 12:39:31
                                   There was no trial...The moran plead guilty without seeing - DoltfromSTL MU - 2/21 12:10:51
                                        doesn't matter. It can still be overturned. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/21 12:16:55
                         the key part of that ruling is that it must be material - cnk ATL - 2/21 11:43:35
                              RE: the key part of that ruling is that it must be material - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:44:45
                                   and the sentence before states that it is material and - cnk ATL - 2/21 11:47:50
                                        Such as? - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:52:58
                                             i don't have the data, but from years of journal reading - gmmm98 MU - 2/21 12:04:15
                                             let's start with the rest of the info from your link - cnk ATL - 2/21 11:58:03
                                                  And the unhighlighted area of your post - Spanky KU - 2/21 12:03:13
                                                       reasonable probability of a different result - gmmm98 MU - 2/21 12:05:58
                                                            'undermine the confidence in the verdict' - Spanky KU - 2/21 12:54:53
                                                                 you're changing the goalposts - gmmm98 MU - 2/21 13:01:21
                                                                      Straight from your post - Spanky KU - 2/21 13:06:36
                                                                           that is definitely not in my post.(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 2/21 13:23:23
                                                                                Sorry..cnk’s post - Spanky KU - 2/21 13:41:21
                                                       in other words, "material" and "exculpatory"(nm) - cnk ATL - 2/21 12:04:33
               Nope.. just smarter than you - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:39:17
          "had to" - Silas MU - 2/21 11:34:00
               You tell me. The prosecution is required by to provide - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:37:03
                    so why did the judge have to do it? - Silas MU - 2/21 11:38:16
                         Apparently the prosecution was withholding evidence. - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:40:38
                              that's an enormous leap(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 2/21 11:47:01
                              you have yet to provide evidence that the prosecution - Silas MU - 2/21 11:43:55
                                   Lets try some simple logic here Silas. If the prosecutors - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/21 11:46:59
                                        they aren't required to turn over all evidence(nm) - cnk ATL - 2/21 11:48:09
                                             Words have meaning Silas ‘all evidence as required by law’. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/21 11:50:22
                                                  yep, I skipped over "as required by law" - cnk ATL - 2/21 11:58:58
                                   Why do you think the judge ordered the prosecution to - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:46:42
                                        Oh, You’re Making Assumptions Because You Don’t Know - Silas MU - 2/21 11:48:22
                                             Why the order then Silas? Are judges in the habit of issuing - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/21 11:51:57
                                                  This one is. He does it in every case.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/21 12:26:44
               RE: "had to" - scan MU - 2/21 11:35:48
                    this is the same judge - Silas MU - 2/21 11:37:24
                         RE: this is the same judge - scan MU - 2/21 11:40:57




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