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Not if there is no trial and the defendant immediately...
Posted on: February 21, 2018 at 12:02:45 CT
DoltfromSTL
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Judge issues sua sponte order to Mueller team
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Silas
MU
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2/21 11:29:02
RE: Judge issues sua sponte order to Mueller team
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JayHoaxH8r
MU
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2/21 11:58:56
You can talk in circles better than anyone I've ever seen.
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zaaguy
MU
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2/21 12:44:54
82 posts in 12 years. Double handles suck
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JayHoaxH8r
MU
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2/21 12:52:32
Just saw this and WAY late but....
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zaaguy
MU
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2/26 12:18:51
he's a master "whataboutits" (nm)
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Sal
KC
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2/21 12:46:24
๐๐๐๐๐๐
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Silas
MU
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2/21 12:06:26
And
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mizzoumurfkc
MU
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2/21 12:09:17
Should we put you on suicide watch? (nm)
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DoltfromSTL
MU
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2/21 11:58:24
Yeah, pretty standard stuff going on here
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Sal
KC
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2/21 11:48:48
RE: Yeah, pretty standard stuff going on here
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JayHoaxH8r
MU
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2/21 11:59:29
Could be nothing
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Sal
KC
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2/21 12:04:17
But there's nothing to indictments, guilty pleas and
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JayHoaxH8r
MU
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2/21 12:27:22
I'm sure it means something to those individuals
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Sal
KC
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2/21 12:29:22
Papa and Flynn weren't tied to the campaign? Weird
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JayHoaxH8r
MU
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2/21 12:32:00
The indictments were not
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Sal
KC
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2/21 12:34:56
How will you defend Mueller
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TGR84
MU
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2/21 11:45:56
Hard to believe a judge had to issue that order
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 11:32:40
LOL
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mizzoumurfkc
MU
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2/21 11:35:41
Im with Spanky. Prosecution is supposed to share evidence
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Badird
MU
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2/21 11:40:15
Flynn plead guilty before he saw the evidence...
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DoltfromSTL
MU
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2/21 11:59:52
The prosecution was required to provide the exculpatory
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 12:01:18
Not if there is no trial and the defendant immediately...
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DoltfromSTL
MU
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2/21 12:02:45
I don't know if that is true.. Some courts have found
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 12:17:57
RE: I don't know if that is true.. Some courts have found
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DoltfromSTL
MU
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2/21 12:23:57
All I am saying is your post made an absolute statement
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 12:35:21
No one here has even
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mizzoumurfkc
MU
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2/21 11:50:20
No, the ruling itself gives a very good indication of what
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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2/21 11:58:47
Nope...
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mizzoumurfkc
MU
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2/21 12:05:08
Not necessarily
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Mormad
MU
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2/21 12:01:22
Iโm sure someone with the means could check to see if this
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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2/21 12:03:51
Agree completely.
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zaaguy
MU
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2/21 12:08:53
๐ค
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Silas
MU
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2/21 12:11:58
One example? Hey, good enough...clearly nothing there.
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zaaguy
MU
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2/21 12:17:55
Just noticed the case you refer to was the Ted Stevens case?
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zaaguy
MU
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2/21 12:27:35
Do you understand sua sponte?
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Silas
MU
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2/21 12:31:12
RE: Not necessarily
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mizzoumurfkc
MU
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2/21 12:03:50
It means he felt the prosecution needed to be ordered to
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 11:51:30
It could mean
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mizzoumurfkc
MU
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2/21 11:55:33
They are REQUIRED to do so.. without the defense asking
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 11:41:24
When Flynn plead guilty it is over...Case closed...Done (nm)
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DoltfromSTL
MU
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2/21 12:01:52
Nope
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 12:18:46
Yep...
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DoltfromSTL
MU
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2/21 12:25:20
Not if the prosecution acted in bad faith. Overturned.
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RHAYWORTH
MU
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2/21 12:04:06
now that would be some judicial activism
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gmmm98
MU
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2/21 12:14:54
None of that matters, if the initial warrant is deemed bad.
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RHAYWORTH
MU
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2/21 12:22:30
oh, that's your angle?
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gmmm98
MU
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2/21 12:39:31
There was no trial...The moran plead guilty without seeing
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DoltfromSTL
MU
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2/21 12:10:51
doesn't matter. It can still be overturned.
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RHAYWORTH
MU
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2/21 12:16:55
the key part of that ruling is that it must be material
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cnk
ATL
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2/21 11:43:35
RE: the key part of that ruling is that it must be material
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 11:44:45
and the sentence before states that it is material and
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cnk
ATL
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2/21 11:47:50
Such as?
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 11:52:58
i don't have the data, but from years of journal reading
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gmmm98
MU
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2/21 12:04:15
let's start with the rest of the info from your link
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cnk
ATL
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2/21 11:58:03
And the unhighlighted area of your post
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 12:03:13
reasonable probability of a different result
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gmmm98
MU
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2/21 12:05:58
'undermine the confidence in the verdict'
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 12:54:53
you're changing the goalposts
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gmmm98
MU
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2/21 13:01:21
Straight from your post
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 13:06:36
that is definitely not in my post.(nm)
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gmmm98
MU
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2/21 13:23:23
Sorry..cnkโs post
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 13:41:21
in other words, "material" and "exculpatory"(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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2/21 12:04:33
Nope.. just smarter than you
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 11:39:17
"had to"
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Silas
MU
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2/21 11:34:00
You tell me. The prosecution is required by to provide
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 11:37:03
so why did the judge have to do it?
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Silas
MU
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2/21 11:38:16
Apparently the prosecution was withholding evidence.
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 11:40:38
that's an enormous leap(nm)
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gmmm98
MU
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2/21 11:47:01
you have yet to provide evidence that the prosecution
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Silas
MU
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2/21 11:43:55
Lets try some simple logic here Silas. If the prosecutors
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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2/21 11:46:59
they aren't required to turn over all evidence(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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2/21 11:48:09
Words have meaning Silas โall evidence as required by lawโ.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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2/21 11:50:22
yep, I skipped over "as required by law"
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cnk
ATL
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2/21 11:58:58
Why do you think the judge ordered the prosecution to
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Spanky
KU
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2/21 11:46:42
Oh, Youโre Making Assumptions Because You Donโt Know
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Silas
MU
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2/21 11:48:22
Why the order then Silas? Are judges in the habit of issuing
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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2/21 11:51:57
This one is. He does it in every case.(nm)
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/21 12:26:44
RE: "had to"
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scan
MU
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2/21 11:35:48
this is the same judge
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Silas
MU
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2/21 11:37:24
RE: this is the same judge
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scan
MU
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2/21 11:40:57