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That is up to interpretation. Some believe

Posted on: July 25, 2017 at 13:35:51 CT
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abortion violates NAP, others don't. I lean to the side that it does violate NAP. But I also understand it is an area I will never have to make the decision and it is also one that I don't have hard evidence of the demarcation point between the fetus being a separate life or not.

I don't believe the vagina is a magic portal and natural rights only exist at birth.
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Pickle's OPINION on morality - meatiger MU - 7/25 13:04:05
     His stance on Natural Rights is exactly the same. He claims - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 13:52:52
          Natural rights are inherent to the nature of humans. - ummmm MU - 7/25 13:54:40
               I still disagree - meatiger MU - 7/25 15:01:33
                    It's not a matter of agreement or disagreement - pickle MU - 7/25 15:08:38
                         How do you know?(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/25 15:13:29
                              Logic and reason and behavior - pickle MU - 7/25 15:16:38
                    Has that experiment been done? (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/25 15:02:55
               Unless you can prove that statement it is simply opinion. - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:02:43
                    We've been over this before. Natural rights are proven - ummmm MU - 7/25 14:06:12
                         You claim that proof. You have yet to offer it. It is - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:12:33
                              The proof of natural rights have been posted on this board - ummmm MU - 7/25 14:23:35
                    No, they exist. Some choose to ignore them, but that - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 14:04:44
                         interesting that you use the same argument as many believers - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:13:29
                              Not really. Belief in God requires believing in - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 14:28:20
                                   or is what you call a violation the actual inherent truth - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:36:26
                                        My natural righra would stop me from - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 14:47:52
                                             I am saying that there are cases where murder would be in my - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:58:26
                                                  If you are Christian and believe murder and theft - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 15:07:33
                                                  You mean as people became more enlightened? (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/25 15:01:35
                                                  No one is arguing it isnt intellect behind natural - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 15:00:32
     Part of pickle's open discussion he welcomes.... - Tigrrrr! MU - 7/25 13:15:48
          No one has the right to initiate force - pickle MU - 7/25 13:21:04
               Unless it is a fetus - Spanky KU - 7/25 13:25:49
                    That is up to interpretation. Some believe - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 13:35:51
                         It shouldn't be.... A human life begins at conception and - Spanky KU - 7/25 13:53:10
                              That is still debateable. A neurologist will say when - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 14:03:44
                                   Perhaps... but they will then struggle - Spanky KU - 7/25 14:10:43
                                        The heart is regulated the brain stem. Brain waves - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 14:23:16
                                             Human life begins at conception - Spanky KU - 7/25 14:32:53
                                                  The concept is personhood. Which is very debatable - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 14:51:21
                                                       The concept of personhood is a snivel excuse to allow - Spanky KU - 7/25 14:54:41
                                                            Do you believe it is murder to end life support - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 14:58:12
                                                                 It is not essentially abortion. - Spanky KU - 7/25 16:31:16
          hey... can you provide a link to Obama apologizing for - SwampTiger MU - 7/25 13:19:44
               Just showing up at Hiroshima was a terrible act of - Tigrrrr! MU - 7/25 14:46:06
                    Don't dodge. Answer the question and provide a link (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 14:48:48
     He is right. As a human no one has the right to - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 13:07:50
          There is no factual definition of morality - meatiger MU - 7/25 13:10:02
               Not when it comes to natural rights, which is what - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 13:14:56
                    so he gets to decide the circumstances - meatiger MU - 7/25 13:17:44
                         You are correct that each person possesses their own - ummmm MU - 7/25 13:40:01
                         Can you please stop with the fallacies? - pickle MU - 7/25 13:22:28
                              Yes you are - meatiger MU - 7/25 13:25:24
                                   "he gets to decide the circumstances..." is a straw man - pickle MU - 7/25 13:29:12
                                        No, you are declaring an 'objective truth' and then arguing - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:00:17
                                             To be honest - pickle MU - 7/25 14:21:12
                                                  Yet you claim to want discussion - meatiger MU - 7/25 14:48:33
                                                       I do desire discussion - pickle MU - 7/25 14:51:20
                                                            becuase you only want discussion in your light - meatiger MU - 7/25 14:59:17
                                                                 That's not true at all. - pickle MU - 7/25 15:17:53
                                                  Since you are second only to JG in ignorance on this board I - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:40:28
                                             You won't accept the proof of natural rights because the - ummmm MU - 7/25 14:02:30
                                                  You were the one who believed the opposite of concrete was - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:08:33
                                                       Your use of "concrete" in that thread implied - ummmm MU - 7/25 14:17:18
                                                            He is conflating scientific proof with the abstract(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 14:52:48
                                                            No, ideas and laws are concrete in the sense that they are - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:27:52
                                                                 RE: No, ideas and laws are concrete in the sense that they are - ummmm MU - 7/25 14:34:34
                                                       It wasnt absent. It was ignored by some. Most - TigerMatt STL - 7/25 14:12:13
                                                            Then please list your 'natural rights' so we can identify - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/25 14:18:34
                                                                 RE: Then please list your 'natural rights' so we can identify - ummmm MU - 7/25 14:23:58
               There is objective truth and morality (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 13:14:21
     Yeah, that wasn't opinion (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 13:06:43




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