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The urban / suburban pay gap is not that great in most

Posted on: February 7, 2017 at 13:08:19 CT
DHighlander NWMSU
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I am not one that believes you will get a sudden influx of great teachers if you doubled the pay. Teachers that go into teaching now do so because it is what they want to do and a vast majority that I have met are very good at that job. Including those in KC and KCK. Raising the pay, although it would be nice for me, would not have a major impact on teacher quality.

Outside of a few advanced topics subject matter knowledge is not the most important factor IMO. The worst teachers, as a group, that I have observed are those with PHDs. It takes a ton of intelligence and hard work to get most PHDs. Those skills do not translate well to actual teaching. They often struggle 'bringing it down' to the students level and often times lack the patience to work through the rough spots.

What I would like to see is a change so more of the education dollars actually make it down to the classroom. Education is way too top heavy today.
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     You know why they work? Less teachers union, leftists. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/7 13:11:14
          they work because they dont take problem kids or slow learne - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/7 15:03:28
     Teachers need to fear for their jobs. Students - Coors4bob MU - 2/7 12:24:14
          "need to fear for their jobs" - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:43:20
          Teacher's aren't fearing for their jobs. They are leaving - catbirdseat MU - 2/7 12:42:07
               "It will quash free thought and speech...." - StoneCold Tiger68 MU - 2/7 13:10:32
               Lazy teachers, with no classroom discipline need fired. - Coors4bob MU - 2/7 12:44:27
          It isn't uncommon now for elementary schools to - TigerMatt STL - 2/7 12:26:53
               RE: It isn't uncommon now for elementary schools to - MOCO SON MU - 2/7 12:34:57
     lol... - escalade NWMSU - 2/7 12:09:16
     Do you have a computer with Windows? - RayJay MU - 2/7 12:06:57
     Are you here actually defending public schools and - 90Tiger MU - 2/7 12:06:18
          Our public schools are fine. - catbirdseat MU - 2/7 12:14:00
               It isn't income and geography. It is parents. Black - TigerMatt STL - 2/7 12:30:58
                    How about.. - catbirdseat MU - 2/7 12:39:42
                         The urban / suburban pay gap is not that great in most - DHighlander KC - 2/7 13:08:19
                    RE: It isn't income and geography. It is parents. Black - MOCO SON MU - 2/7 12:38:26
               That is because the issue with our schools has nothing to do - DHighlander KC - 2/7 12:23:33
                    RE: That is because the issue with our schools has nothing to do - MOCO SON MU - 2/7 12:30:40
                         The impact of tenure is very overblown. I have never once - DHighlander KC - 2/7 12:40:13
                              RE: The impact of tenure is very overblown. I have never once - MOCO SON MU - 2/7 12:49:43
               RE: Our public schools are fine. - MOCO SON MU - 2/7 12:22:29
                    yup. at my public school you could either get a great - 90Tiger MU - 2/7 12:24:58
               Fine relative to - 90Tiger MU - 2/7 12:15:58
                    itself(nm) - escalade NWMSU - 2/7 12:17:40
     Maybe public education should focus - Sal KC - 2/7 12:06:06
          Should private and public schools be held to the - Role Call MU - 2/7 12:09:00
               To which specific standards are you referring? - Spanky KU - 2/7 12:30:56
               What standards are you referring to? - Sal KC - 2/7 12:10:10
                    Comparable testing. - Role Call MU - 2/7 12:13:04
                         You are now a fan of standardized testing that has been - Spanky KU - 2/7 12:35:35
                         And that's not ever going to be equitable (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:13:35
               parents should hold schools to their own standards.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 2/7 12:09:59
                    Lol. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:11:39
                         Why is that funny? (nm) - Sal KC - 2/7 12:11:53
                              "Parents holding schools to their own standards" - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:14:26
                                   That's on the urban schools (nm) - Sal KC - 2/7 12:16:25
                                        Not the fact that property values in urban areas are - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:18:11
                                             You should look at DESE spending numbers. St. Louis - TigerMatt STL - 2/7 12:34:24
                                                  Parents are at the heart of education, always the issue - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:35:27
                                             throwing more money at it won't help.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 2/7 12:19:53
                                                  So then help me start the crusade to change how schools - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:22:56
                                                       I'm all about reducing funding to all schools - SuperTone MU - 2/7 12:24:49
                                                            Okay...how do you start that crusade. For someone with - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:26:32
                                   well duh. A kids education will always be heavily tied - SuperTone MU - 2/7 12:15:51
          It isn't public schools failing. It is students with parents - TigerMatt STL - 2/7 12:08:57
               RE: It isn't public schools failing. It is students with parents - MOCO SON MU - 2/7 12:40:50
               that is very true... - escalade NWMSU - 2/7 12:10:18
                    Tenure is due process. Nothing else. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:12:58
                         RE: Tenure is due process. Nothing else. (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 2/7 12:44:25
                         again, you have no idea how hard it is to... - escalade NWMSU - 2/7 12:13:54
                              Again your knowledge of this subject is severely lacking. - DHighlander KC - 2/7 13:12:24
                              A lot of schools in my area do not offer tenure. 3 year - TigerMatt STL - 2/7 12:24:15
                              I'm not defending tenure but that's all it is. If you're - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:15:38
                                   RE: I'm not defending tenure but that's all it is. If you're - MOCO SON MU - 2/7 12:45:59
                                        yes, but it does require a paper trail.(nm) - DHighlander KC - 2/7 13:13:28
                                   what is your experience with this? - escalade NWMSU - 2/7 12:17:20
                                        Years? What's your experience with this - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:21:20
                                             of course they can... - escalade NWMSU - 2/7 12:24:12
                                                  Then the problem is your wife, not tenure. Create a simple - DHighlander KC - 2/7 13:18:23
                                                  You're making this assumption on your wife's experience - MrBlueSky MU - 2/7 12:25:30
                                                       no you moran... - escalade NWMSU - 2/7 12:28:11
                                                            Why would a private school even have tenure? - DHighlander KC - 2/7 13:19:36
                                                                 my God you people are simple(nm) - escalade NWMSU - 2/7 14:10:04
               ^^^^ This(nm) - Role Call MU - 2/7 12:09:23




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