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if God created him and man has self-determination, how

Posted on: January 4, 2017 at 13:48:00 CT

90Tiger STL

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can your premise be that you know Hitler will become a monster?

If you "know", then what God can create monsters?

It's as silly as the entire notion of God.

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Some weird hypotheticals: Recall the argument about - hokie VT - 1/4 12:40:38

You kill Hilter. Goebbels or Himmler rises to power. - TigerMatt STL - 1/4 15:23:16

Why do you have to kill anyone? Buy some of his art - TigerMatt STL - 1/4 15:03:01

You could make a movie about that.... - Spanky KU - 1/4 14:15:31

I wouldn't do it, period, in any of those cases (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:10:53

would you, knowing what he would do in the 30s - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/4 13:33:15

so now you've changed the scenario that i'm in active combat - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:44:57

That's what makes it hypothetical. You accept the premise - hokie VT - 1/4 13:59:18

Hokie - if I eliminate a man before he commits some future - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 14:09:04

Because....? And I appreciate your answer, I find - hokie VT - 1/4 13:19:45

Here's a moral hypothetical - pickle MU

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Depends on the law. Speeding no way - GODZILLA MU - 1/4 13:41:13

You've just included yourself in the premeditated - ummmm MU - 1/4 14:06:39

This is so silly. Dont want to be put to death dont - GODZILLA MU - 1/4 14:15:46

Do you not realize that you are calling for a mass murder - ummmm MU - 1/4 14:18:22

Do you consider every judge that has given - GODZILLA MU - 1/4 14:23:01

Complicitly, yes - ummmm MU - 1/4 14:34:05

All sorts of groups do that - Mormad MU - 1/4 13:27:25

If God's so certain - Mormad MU - 1/4 13:03:32

Question too tough? Nm - hokie VT - 1/4 13:10:36

No, it's not too tough. - Mormad MU - 1/4 13:18:29

THAT is a fascinating answer. We should drill down - hokie VT - 1/4 13:21:09

if God created him and man has self-determination, how - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:48:00

The reason is - 615Tiger STL - 1/4 13:09:54

I can not reconcile that with an all-powerful god who - GA Tiger MU - 1/4 14:36:59

Well, if it's a sin to kill him as a baby - Mormad MU - 1/4 13:15:05

Appreciate your answer. What of the present time - hokie VT - 1/4 13:14:48

"sacrifice"? his only son got to get to eternal bliss in th - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:49:05

Hokie is implying the person has no choice (hitler must - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:13:35

You KNOW what he will do. He did it. But you - hokie VT - 1/4 13:16:45

He didn't already do it if I have the option to prevent - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:49:40

How about this hypothetical - 615Tiger STL - 1/4 12:53:20

Not really much of a dilemma - pickle MU

- 1/4 12:52:09

But, being from the future, you already know that Hitler - TigerJackSwartz MU

- 1/4 13:04:07

You're incorrect - pickle MU

- 1/4 13:21:21

They aren't potential to you. They've already happened - TigerJackSwartz MU

- 1/4 13:28:46

if you're a future man, you can't exist in the past and if y - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 14:12:31

Never mess with the past , man - JG MU

- 1/4 12:48:35

What of the current time hypothetical? John doe - hokie VT - 1/4 13:09:13

silly, if i have the power to stop him, he wouldn't have - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:15:28

You don't know if John Doe killed someone - JG MU

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no - SwampTiger MU - 1/4 12:47:50

It is clearly an act of self sacrifice. But you would - hokie VT - 1/4 13:06:57

It's murder - pickle MU

- 1/4 13:22:34

RE: It is clearly an act of self sacrifice. But you would - SwampTiger MU - 1/4 13:15:42

No I would kidnap him and give to raskol to raise - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

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He might prefer - 615Tiger STL - 1/4 12:55:25