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Hokie is implying the person has no choice (hitler must

Posted on: January 4, 2017 at 13:13:35 CT
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become the hitler we know e.g.) and that the life he led had no bearing on whom he became.

Silly and antithetical to the Christian belief that we choose our good/bad. Hokie's scenario assumes predetermination.

I wouldn't do it regardless; i'd stop someone in the act of aggressing, but will not kill someone based on what I think they will do.
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Some weird hypotheticals: Recall the argument about - hokie VT - 1/4 12:40:38
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     Why do you have to kill anyone? Buy some of his art - TigerMatt STL - 1/4 15:03:01
     You could make a movie about that.... - Spanky KU - 1/4 14:15:31
     I wouldn't do it, period, in any of those cases (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:10:53
          would you, knowing what he would do in the 30s - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/4 13:33:15
               so now you've changed the scenario that i'm in active combat - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:44:57
                    That's what makes it hypothetical. You accept the premise - hokie VT - 1/4 13:59:18
                         Hokie - if I eliminate a man before he commits some future - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 14:09:04
          Because....? And I appreciate your answer, I find - hokie VT - 1/4 13:19:45
               Here's a moral hypothetical - pickle MU - 1/4 13:23:58
                    Depends on the law. Speeding no way - GODZILLA MU - 1/4 13:41:13
                         You've just included yourself in the premeditated - ummmm MU - 1/4 14:06:39
                              This is so silly. Dont want to be put to death dont - GODZILLA MU - 1/4 14:15:46
                                   Do you not realize that you are calling for a mass murder - ummmm MU - 1/4 14:18:22
                                        Do you consider every judge that has given - GODZILLA MU - 1/4 14:23:01
                                             Complicitly, yes - ummmm MU - 1/4 14:34:05
                    All sorts of groups do that - Mormad MU - 1/4 13:27:25
     If God's so certain - Mormad MU - 1/4 13:03:32
          Question too tough? Nm - hokie VT - 1/4 13:10:36
               No, it's not too tough. - Mormad MU - 1/4 13:18:29
                    THAT is a fascinating answer. We should drill down - hokie VT - 1/4 13:21:09
                         if God created him and man has self-determination, how - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:48:00
          The reason is - 615Tiger STL - 1/4 13:09:54
               I can not reconcile that with an all-powerful god who - GA Tiger MU - 1/4 14:36:59
               Well, if it's a sin to kill him as a baby - Mormad MU - 1/4 13:15:05
               Appreciate your answer. What of the present time - hokie VT - 1/4 13:14:48
                    "sacrifice"? his only son got to get to eternal bliss in th - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:49:05
               Hokie is implying the person has no choice (hitler must - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:13:35
                    You KNOW what he will do. He did it. But you - hokie VT - 1/4 13:16:45
                         He didn't already do it if I have the option to prevent - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:49:40
     How about this hypothetical - 615Tiger STL - 1/4 12:53:20
     Not really much of a dilemma - pickle MU - 1/4 12:52:09
          But, being from the future, you already know that Hitler - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/4 13:04:07
               You're incorrect - pickle MU - 1/4 13:21:21
                    They aren't potential to you. They've already happened - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/4 13:28:46
                         if you're a future man, you can't exist in the past and if y - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 14:12:31
     Never mess with the past , man - JG MU - 1/4 12:48:35
          What of the current time hypothetical? John doe - hokie VT - 1/4 13:09:13
               silly, if i have the power to stop him, he wouldn't have - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:15:28
               You don't know if John Doe killed someone - JG MU - 1/4 13:15:25
     no - SwampTiger MU - 1/4 12:47:50
          It is clearly an act of self sacrifice. But you would - hokie VT - 1/4 13:06:57
               It's murder - pickle MU - 1/4 13:22:34
               RE: It is clearly an act of self sacrifice. But you would - SwampTiger MU - 1/4 13:15:42
     No I would kidnap him and give to raskol to raise - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 1/4 12:44:19
          He might prefer - 615Tiger STL - 1/4 12:55:25




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